Author Chapter 83 (Kishuku Gakkou no Juliet)
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oh and for that absurdly long comments, raise you hand if you guys actually read it?
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@Yautja

I never said anything about it not being modern. It is indeed modern, well done. It's also still a fictional setting.

You do realize that's not happening in modern, 1st world countries


Too bad these are FICTIONAL COUNTRIES, inspired by but distinct from ones in real life. Also, forced marriage aside, I can assure you that adults can and DO get abducted in First World Countries - it's probably not as common as child abductions but it still happens, and considering that this is a rich and powerful house, that means they have the money to cover their actions.

You're assuming these two countries work similarly to places like America, England, France, etc. These are countries where simply being from the opposite nation is enough for someone to want to beat you up. Discrimination and tensions are high. It's not the least bit unreasonable that people from Touwa would see a Westian clearly being harrased and abducted by other Westians and not do anything to help. Hell it's not unreasonable to think they'd be happy to see the Westian gone.
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@Xelda
Yea, fictional, first world, modern countries. Unless a fictional world has given us a reason to believe X is normal when in reality it is abnormal, we do not assume X to be normal. And yea, kidnapping does happen, but is it at all likely, believable or similar to the terms as laid out in the manga. Fuck no. You don't hear about Bill Gates kidnapping his daughter from some foreign guy. The other guy I was talking to tried much harder than you, and made just as ridiculous a case. Read what he said, because unless you're going to add nothing new, I'm not going to bother repeating myself. Same as always, baseless conjecture based off nothing but a desire to believe something.
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@Yautja

I think the author just didn't bother to make the kidnapping be workable in the real world. It seems to me that the author just wanted to create a situation where Leon's family peace is threaten, and when she desperately cried for help the public just turned a blind eye for reasons. All this is to make Leon to be separated from her loved one, hate the West (for the wrong reasons) and to have the idea that the West and Touwan can never come to a peace.

You could argue that a more believable method can be used instead of this forced kidnapping to achieve the same result, it's just that to me it doesn't matter
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@Y36
Completely agree and that's 100% my point. It's not believable or reasonable in both a fictional or realistic sense. I literally said: " It's a ridiculous, contrived, plot convenience to justify Leon's batshit crazy disposition." Everyone else is too busy justifying every ridiculous point of this manga because they want to believe it's better than it is.
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@Yautja

Unless a fictional world has given us a reason to believe X is normal


Well then, why don't we use this VERY EXAMPLE of a kidnapping happening and people not doing anything to stop it, to assume that, yes, in this world, a Westian can be kidnapped by Westians and people won't do anything to stop it? Hell, before we saw that people are willing to KILL each other simply for dating somebody of the opposite nation, you could argue such a thing would be absurd, that they'd not go that far. But then we saw it, so we know that that's how this world works. Seeing is believing, as they say.

And saying that it's "normal" is a stretch - we're saying it's something that CAN happen, not that it's the norm. We're saying that Touwans would absolutely not do a thing to interfere with a Westian being kidnapped by Westians, not that that very scenario is the "norm". Quite the opposite, a Westian marrying a Touwan is VERY abnormal. At Dhalia, a Touwan and a Westian got together and were driven out by their fellow students. Here, a Westian is hiding her nationality so that she can be with her Touwan husband. These facts alone just show you how much hatred and the two countries have for each other, so frankly I would expect nothing less than for the Touwans to do nothing when they a Westian in trouble, especially when the agressor is another Westian.
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@Xelda
Jesus Christ, an instance of something happening does not prove it to be normal or reasonable, I'm not going to assume that shit without a good reason to believe so, especially when I already have a good argument against that bullshit. Just as delusional as the other guy. You're doing the exact same thing as the other guy, and I've already dealt with him, I'm not bothering with you as well. I repeat, take your bullshit conjecture and go home. Go read what that other guy said, it's the exact same shit you're spewing now. You're adding absolutely nothing to this conversation. If anything, you're doing a bad job at plagiarizing the guy I was originally speaking to. I swear to god, this is why everyone hates weebs, they'll go through any lengths to defend something without acknowledging the flaws of what they're defending.
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@Xelda
Let me try to word this the other way round on his behalf. Unless if the author address the process Leon's grandmother has undertaken for the kidnapping, whether it's bribery or using her social connection, she's not legally able to get away with this without repercussion of some sort. If her mother has some kind of citizenship in Touwa, realistically she should be protected from being forcefully taken away by law, but we don't even know if Leon's mom was legally staying on Touwa, none of these are addressed in the manga. To me it looks like the neighbors didn't help Leon's mother because they are afraid to challenge the grandmother's high status rather than ignoring Westian's business, but even this point is still in the grey area and haven't been properly addressed yet. The point is even if there's a proper justification, as long as the incident is not a norm or outright against the system, it can't be feasible unless if the author justifies it him/herself. The justifications you brought up were probably not even the same with what the author have in mind, THE AUTHOR MIGHT NOT EVEN HAVE A JUSTIFICATION OF HIS/HER OWN IN THE FIRST PLACE (at least at this point).

@Yautja
From what I can imagine, you're giving out the impression that you're trashing the whole manga (or at least Leon's tragic backgound) solely because of that unreasonable incident. If this is really what you think, I'd be disappointed for you would just simply allow such trivial matter that doesn't affect the integrality of the story to throw you off this series, because none of these would altered Leon's shattered happiness, her resentment and her false motivation to divide two countries, and the fact that that old hag is a self-centered, inconsiderate piece of shit. If this is not what you think, I believe it's best for you to address it now simply because that this argument thread is turning into a cesspool.
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@Y36
The only thing I've trashed in this chapter is Leon's "tragic background" and the ridiculous contents of this specific chapter, not only because it's unreasonable but because it's comically cliche, something you'd find on a cartoon super villain. I don't really care about Leon at all, she's a generic foil and antagonist who's driving purpose is to push the plot forward and be an antonym and enemy to Inuzaka. She's almost as boring as the grandmother.
This thread is already a cesspool with people spouting "what ifs" and random conjecture that isn't concurrent with reality nor the setting of the story or what it is based off of. I've seen zero competent justifications for this event. The best excuse is a grand conspiracy theory or throwing a ridiculous amount of money around. Even if those were true, such an obvious crime committed by bitter enemies would not go unnoticed unless everyone involved were dead. Someone would leak something, and the shit would spread. It always does. The author wrote himself into a corner.
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@Yautja
I hope at least we're on the same page on this topic, and the story and character appreciation is subjective

P/S: now onto something off topic, I personally want this incident to be leaked in the future, considering it has only happened possibly less than a year ago, and have the authority involved to arrest that old woman or at least have her lose her parental right to Leon's mother, because at this point I don't see how the MC can deal with that old woman by just bringing peace between two factions. In my opinion, there's no way the old lady would kidnap and force marriage on her own daughter simply because of racial difference and give her back to Leon without receiving any public or legal backlash just because 'real' peace has achieved. But because of plot, Inuzuka must help Leon overcome her problem and Leon's mother has to return somehow.
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@Y36
I don't care if people like it or appreciate it; I'm not arguing about subjectives like appreciation and enjoyment, I have a problem when people say it's reasonable, realistic or good / original writing. It's not, it's filled with logical inconsistencies, plot holes, and cliches. Most of which will probably be filled with contrivances if we're lucky and more likely not at all.

That's the stupidest fuckin' thing about this backstory. She shouldn't even have any 'parental rights' at this point, Leon's mother is a grown ass woman, and we've been given no reason to believe either country is like SA where women need a guardian. She could have called the cops the moment she got a chance in her country and solved this shit, but no, we'll get some cliche "she threatened my daughter and husband" or "kept me locked in a room for two years" kinda shit. Grandma Dumbass over here literally committed a host federal crimes, kidnapping, false imprisonment, human trafficking, forced marriage, assault, and who knows what else. None of that makes a modicum of sense. Just super-villain & soap-opera-drama shit. She could disown the mother but other than that, the mother should have literally zero ability to make choices for her. Unless I grossly misunderstand the age of adulthood in almost all civilized countries, your parent's don't get to tell you what to do once you're 18, even less so if you don't live with them, let alone in a different fucking country for that matter. This is going to have a fairy tale ending, that's how these kind of stories work. Either the grandma is going to learn the err of her ways or everyone's going to live happy while she's doing fuck all being the stereotype she is. It's one of the two.
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@Yautja
I'm not here to prove you're wrong here man that's all
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no war between groups no more chap lol
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I see the walls of text (that I didn't bother to even skim through) of people discussing/arguing over something or other

But more importantly, Leon is a redhead.

me likey :>