Sokushi Cheat ga Saikyou Sugite, Isekai no Yatsura ga Marude Aite ni Naranai n desu ga Japanese
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  • Instant Death
  • The other world doesn't stand a chance against the power of instant death.
  • 即死チートが最強すぎて、異世界のやつらがまるで相手にならないんですが。
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Growth cheats? Infinite magic power? The ability to utilize all archetypes? What’s the point if instant death ends everything with a single attack?

High school senior Yogiri Takatou was on a school field trip when he woke up to a dragon assaulting his sightseeing bus, with the only ones still on the bus being him and his female classmate, the panicking Tomochika Dannoura. Apparently the rest of his classmates had been given special powers by Sion, a woman who introduced herself as Sage, and escaped from the dragon, leaving those that hadn’t received any special powers behind as dragon bait.

And so Yogiri was thrown into a parallel universe full of danger, with no idea of what just happened. Likewise, Sion had no way of knowing just what kind of being she had summoned to her world.

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Avatar TheGoldenExperience 12 days ago
How to kill the protagonist
1. sneak attack..... that's all you need
Avatar kanaloa 1 mo ago
First chapter was going great but they just have to fuck it up with that cheat skill. Instant kill? Really? And counter aura kill? Trash.
Avatar TheWanderer567 1 mo ago
This artist really needs to improve his background art or maybe its just the quality of the scans.

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Avatar gaigous 1 mo ago
@Carnage Awesome Possum!

That's good, at least my indirect verbal flailing had some kind of inane purpose.

Last edited 1 mo ago by MangaDex.

Avatar Carnage 1 mo ago
@gaigous
Golden we are. /o/

And yeah, it's more or less what I guessed.


Also, no worries.
Or rather, I didn't actually feel like my time was wasted.
Avatar gaigous 2 mo ago
@Carnage

Nah, this is all my fault, I feel bad now, and I apologize, I got way too into our convo about subjectivity and objectivity and wasted both our time.

So if I point out concrete areas in the material and state which parts gave me the impression that his morals are inconsistent, we'll be golden right? I'll do my best:

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Avatar Carnage 2 mo ago
@gaigous
My point was that once objective reality has been perceived by a person a lot of it will become subjective in their mind whether they like it or not, I mean obviously we can both agree that we saw what we saw, but when we try to agree on its meaning is where things tend to get muddy.
Eh that would only really be the case if both of us had solidified viewpoints. You may do, but I actually don't. And I wasn't actually trying to agree on a specific meaning with you either. Rather, I was trying to figure out what exactly your observation is based on in the first place.
It's more like we're two dudes standing next to each other when you suddenly go: "There is something in the sky!" And I'm like: "Where?" Then you start wildly gesturing about without actually giving me directions accurate enough that I could decide whether there actually is something, or whether you've been smoking the cheap shit again. /o/

Fiction, in general, is art, so my best advice would be to get used to the clusterfuck of interpretations. I mean, If we were talking about something like engineering where objective reality was the name of the game then I would agree wholeheartedly.
Not quite relevant in this context. The problem is that you were giving me images as a response, instead of a clearly phrased sentence.

The only way we could achieve "the true true" would be if the author/artist told us, and even then the word of god is debatable with art. The truth is a very nebulous concept with things like art, unlike science.
Again, I wasn't really looking for the true true. To begin with, we'd need way more people than just the two of us to be able to design a definition that could be considered objective by any reasonable standards. No, what I've been trying to figure out is what precisely your individual observation is actually based on. And only after that would I have the theoretical means to, at least for myself, decide who is likely to be closer to the truth. \o\

But yeah, past tense. I think this little exchange gave me more or less what I needed, already. Although it didn't really give me the where, I think I got the why.
Avatar gaigous 2 mo ago
@Carnage Nah, you weren't pushy, you just wanted a satisfactory and fulfilling conclusion and so did I.

My point was that once objective reality has been perceived by a person a lot of it will become subjective in their mind whether they like it or not, I mean obviously we can both agree that we saw what we saw, but when we try to agree on its meaning is where things tend to get muddy.

Fiction, in general, is art, so my best advice would be to get used to the clusterfuck of interpretations. I mean, If we were talking about something like engineering where objective reality was the name of the game then I would agree wholeheartedly.

The only way we could achieve "the true true" would be if the author/artist told us, and even then the word of god is debatable with art. The truth is a very nebulous concept with things like art, unlike science.

I did with the pages and your interpretation differed. Abstract reasoning was the highest score on my IQ & Aptitude test, so no worries there.

Why thank you.
FREEEEEEEE

Everyone needs their juice~

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Avatar Carnage 2 mo ago
@gaigous
Well, the main reason I said that was because I figured I maaaaay be coming across as a little pushy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And, uh, that's technically incorrect. I mean, sure, our observations may be subjective, but our observations are still based on an objective reality.
Viewpoints don't simply appear out of nothing. They're still based on something.

And that's kind of pointless, actually. Like, a mere picture just leaves far too much room for interpretation. If that weren't the case we wouldn't be having this discussion to begin with. /o/

Also, I'm not even sure if that method would actually leave us with meaningful results. Like you kind of insinuated there, it would most likely end with us arguing over semantics, and at best come to a compromise out of frustration. And I rather doubt that compromise would end up being a meaningful approximation of the actual truth.

It's actually much simpler: All I'd really need is for you to properly conceptualize what exactly it is you're looking at when you mention inconsistencies.
Then, using abstraction, I would at least have the theoretical means of deciphering why you define your observation the way you do.
Also, solving problems using abstraction is a pretty good way to train you cognitive abilities. \o\

And eh, I guess I'll take it.
It's free anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


'Nother thing: I'm actually slightly buzzed while writing this, so I'm not perfectly confident in how functional my phrasing is.
Avatar gaigous 2 mo ago
@Carnage

Of course not, this has been an honest discourse.

This is one of those conversations where neither party is right or wrong because the entire thing is based on a subjective viewpoint, we're both looking at the same thing and seeing something completely different, so you aren't missing something and neither of us is misinterpreting anything.

I posted the pages that gave me the impression his morality was inconsistent, I'm too lazy to make an Essay on this.

For me to help you acknowledge my subjective view as a valid but not necessarily correct interpretation would require that we establish a rock-solid definition for each word used and slowly sift through the material via a comb of semantics, and that sounds like mental torture to me, I'd much rather chalk this up to a fun disagreement and send you a friend request in the future :D

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Avatar Carnage 2 mo ago
@gaigous
You know, it's not like I'm trying to actually fight you or be right or anything like that. I'm not interested in an argument.
But the way I see it, either I'm missing something or you're misinterpreting something.
And I'm honestly rather curious about either.
But you haven't really been able to clearly define what you're talking about, or are referencing in particular. Because of which I can't help but guess that the latter is probably more likely.
Honestly, the only things that I could even imagine as coming across as inconsistent are things that merely take a more roundabout way back, but still make no actual leaps.
So what exactly is it that gives you that impression? Could you conceptualize it?

Well, and... yeah, of course more is being added (though the word I used was 'unearthed'). But the relevant point lies in the distinction between whether it's inconsistent or not.
Avatar gaigous 2 mo ago
@Carnage

When I said subjective, I was acknowledging that we have different viewpoints on the topic and that further debate in that area would be pointless.

We're gonna have to agree to disagree here as well, I think somethings there, you don't.

I was agreeing with you on learning more about the MC as the manga progresses, but maintaining my position on moral conditions being added.

Thanks for the honest discourse BTW
Avatar Carnage 2 mo ago
@gaigous
Subjective.

Well, I could tell you the same, really. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's a non-response.

Hence why I prefaced this by saying "Outside of killing anything/anyone that threatens them or gets in their way."

Yeah, but if you remove that you're basically removing everything that actually has to do with any of his demonstrated moral principles.
There isn't really anything else.

Subjective.

Again, goes both ways.
You're saying there is an inconsistency. And I'm asking where. But you can't seem to properly define it.
To begin with, if you already removed his logic on killing from the equation, there is nothing else left. Everything else is just derived from that.
Beyond that is only a big chunk of yet undefined space.

It's only chapter 5 so we're slowly learning more about the MC.

Well, yeah. I mean, I'm not sure if that was a rebuttal or anything (it might not be, in which case this was redundant), but that was my response to you saying that attributes are being arbitrarily added to his moral system.
Avatar gaigous 2 mo ago
@Carnage
Subjective.
Hence why I prefaced this by saying "Outside of killing anything/anyone that threatens them or gets in their way."
Subjective.
It's only chapter 5 so we're slowly learning more about the MC.
I agree completely (I just got done explaining to someone else why giant info dumps are a horrible horrible way to start something off).
It's giving off a light deconstruction/satire vibe to me as well.
Avatar Carnage 2 mo ago
@gaigous
Eh the examples you posted are kind of a mixed bag. Some don't really have much to do with morality at all. His decision to protect her is based on a simple whim, for example.
The others are actually really consistent. It's a really simple and straightforward: "You try to do me harm; I will do you harm."
Most of his actions appear to be based on that principle. And I really don't see the inconsistency.
Nor do I feel like there are really any conditions being added to his moral compass. I'd rather say it's being gradually... unearthed, I guess.
I mean, the alternative to that would be to explain his entire character in a shitty infodump. And that's no fun. /o/
Also, it kind of feels like the author is using the two mains as a way to comment on the isekai genre in general.
Avatar gaigous 2 mo ago
@Carnage Oh, when you said "could you be more specific", I didn't realize you wanted me to detail specific moments in the manga to support my claim, I'll just paste a bunch of pages, cause I really don't feel like turning my opinion into an essay.

First, so there's no more confusion, let's establish the two definitions of the word morals according to google:

1. a lesson, especially one concerning what is right or prudent, that can be derived from a story, a piece of information, or an experience.

2. a person's standards of behavior or beliefs concerning what is and is not acceptable for them to do.

Here are the pages:














My view of it:

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Avatar Carnage 2 mo ago
@gaigous
Which is what I've been asking; what are those inconsistencies, exactly?
I'm honestly not sure.
Avatar gaigous 2 mo ago
@Carnage Sorry if my phrasing was off. When I said: "the MCs morality can't make up its mind.", I meant his morality is inconsistent, and when I said: "Outside of killing anything/anyone that threatens them or gets in their way.", I was clarifying that apart from killing to remove obstacles and survive, the logic by which his moral compass operates was inconsistent.
Avatar Carnage 2 mo ago
@gaigous
I'm... honestly not sure what you mean. Could you be more specific?
Avatar gaigous 2 mo ago
@Carnage Outside of killing anything/anyone that threatens them or gets in their way, I'm not seeing the consistency.

Last edited 2 mo ago by MangaDex.