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Vol. 1 Ch. 1 - I Am Now Saving Their Lives
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@criver

Well, I disagree. Anyway, this conversations pretty done. You didn't even recommend the right type of manga that was requested. I was just offering a different viewpoint because I think yours is... different to mine.
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@TheWill The discrepancy that you noted is explained by my repulsion by pretentious manga like Alice in Borderlands. In comparison HotD was pretty straightforward about what it was meant to be.
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@mommuism

I mean, it's fine if I come across as triggered. I'm not -- but, if that's how I'm perceived, then there's nothing really me to say there.

It's clear originality was the most important factor behind his recommendations (which he has already confirmed). But, I obviously didn't articulate my comment very well, so I do apologize to @criver if I came across as antagonistic. With that said, the 'issue' was that dismissing AiB for its 'pseudo-intellect' is just... a strange and honestly bad take, especially in conjunction with recommending Highschool of the Dead and Cradle of Monsters which aren't even good by his own metric (though he already said that's why they're at the end of his list).

@criver

The original comment asked for 'death game' and 'mystery survival' manga, not series that have survival elements. I do agree that Tokyo Ghoul and Deadman Wonderland had survival elements, but both series completely dropped them after a certain point, but they definitely don't qualify as either of the above categories. Especially when the two cited series they enjoyed were Liar Game ('play-or-debt', psychological game) and Future Diary (death game). Alice in Borderland is the ideal amalgamation of these two series.

The stuff you mentioned suffers from the exact problems I and mommunism mentioned.


The stuff I mentioned? You mean the series that the original requested asked for? The generalized criticism of survival and death game series by mommuism and yourself... I agree with. You guys are absolutely correct. Though I don't know why you're saying this when you literally recommended multiple manga with these exact same problems, some with by FAR worse examples.
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@TheWill
I already mentioned that point about Gantz, so we agree:
It kinda goes downhill in one of the last arcs, but otherwise it's great.

I said that Tokyo Ghoul and Deadman wonderland have survival elements, which is objectively the case, regardless of whether you consider them "survival manga". Originality + survival elements have been the criteria on which I based my recommendations - there's no reason it shouldn't be the case.

The stuff you mentioned suffers from the exact problems I and mommunism mentioned.

Do DM me your MAL - I am curious.
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@TheWill I didn't get very far in any of these titles (thank god), so I'm probably equally biased here, but it really does seem like you were just triggered by him insulting Borderland. Why else would you come in here with a stretch like "you said X is pseudo-intellectual, but you like Y which isn't unique"? He didn't say that something has to be unique or even well-written to be good. He just said he was turned off by one aspect of something you like (or at least would recommend, apparently). It's perfectly possible to only like poorly written titles when they're not pretentious.
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@criver

Being original is nice, but Gantz absolutely goes to shit with one of the worst final arcs in manga history and downright horrendous writing. I was just calling out a bad take, it was just ironic you mention stuff that shouldn't even be considered a survival manga (Tokyo Ghoul, Deadman Wonderland) or just really, really bad ones (HotD). I'm not triggered by the way, I respect that you put emphasis on originality (that is always a great thing for a series), but it should not be a deciding factor on whether you recommend something or not. I actually thought Gantz was amazing as well, so I do recommend that series despite its inconsistent pacing and awful finale arc.

@NaturalTalentless should read Alice in Borderland (especially when it's much closer to Werewolf Game/Tomodachi Game than any of your recommendations) where there's a heavy emphasis on 'psychological warfare'.

I don't update my MD, I can just PM you my MAL if you want to look at my reading history for whatever reason?
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@TheWill Because Alice in Borderlands comes off as extremely pretentious with its pseudo-philosophical questions and twist - clearly my opinion triggered you, but that's your problem. The two zombie apocalypse manga I recommended just stood out to me from the rest due to the execution - the survival aspect was palpable, and NaturalTalentless asked for survival - there's also a reason I put them in one of the last places. I am not sure what generic shounen battle manga you're talking about. Gantz is one of the most original works in its genre regardless of whether you like it. Tokyo Ghoul also brings the same survival feel I mentioned - and I already warned him that the further he goes the worse it gets. You're free to dislike them, NaturalTalentless can make his own decision after he reads a few chapters.

P.S. You can make your MD list public.
Last edited 9 mo ago by criver.
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@criver

How can you clown on Borderlands for its 'pseudo-philosophy' and talk about manga uniqueness, then recommend two zombie apocalypse series, generic shounen battle series and recommend Gantz/Tokyo Ghoul/Highschool of the Dead which are downright awful?
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Nvm, i like death games, so let's see how it will be.
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@NaturalTalentless My whole point was that the "death/survival game" genre is really lazy, and that killing characters off all the time is a bad author's idea of good writing. This obviously comes from somewhere. Plenty of good stories have characters that die. The point is that a contrived reason to kill people (like some random game that appears) is a really cheap way to add suspense. I would just read a genre that doesn't tend to attract shit-tier authors so often.
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I agree with what criver said, AJIN is good if you like death note and such.
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@NaturalTalentless
The thing with Tokyo Ghoul is that the further you go the worse it becomes. But once you finish the first you'll probably be hooked and want to read RE anyways.

SNK is notorious for its art - the author has major issues with perspective, proportions, and anatomy (incidentally the Tokyo Ghoul artist has similar problems, though not as bad). The setting is pretty original though. Only later does it ramp up the nonsense plot twists.

Another manga I forgot to mention: Ajin. You have some wits fights in it and a lot of action. You'll probably like it if you liked Death Note.
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@NaturalTalentless Nah. Don't bother. TG:RE is underwhelming compared to the first manga and it's cluster fuck too.
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@criver, Yo really appreciate the list and the details. I haven't heard of a lot of these titles so I'm really glad I asked, and will definitely check them out.

Yeah Death Note probably was the anime that made me interested in the battle of wits genre.

As for Tokyo Ghoul, should I bother with RE? It was sort of a mess towards the end of the original and I read the first few chapters of RE and not sure if I should continue.

For SNK, is the anime not as good as the manga? I remember I dropped the manga before cause the artsyle was quite weird/different.

Again, really appreciate the list. (I almost missed out that Heads was a manga title, and MPD psycho cause I thought you mentioned Mob Psycho.)
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@NaturalTalentless
To be honest, I find a lot of manga do falter as it transitions to a "explaining the logic" phase.

I have the exact same experience - they introduce so many twists and turns that they cannot be resolved in a satisfactory manner. My other issue is that a lot of those rely on gimmicks for plot progression.

Anyways, your MD list helped me with not recommending some stuff I would have otherwise. I saw you have Monster in there though - I recommend watching the animation, it's not so much a detective thing but rather a psychological and philosophical work, but it is still good by anime standards. All the manga I recommended, I suggest reading and not watching the adaption (for instance the anime for Gantz is garbage).

As for mysteries/locked room stuff I can't recommend anything really - I haven't run into a good one due to the outlined issues - you're probably better off reading actual novels in that regard. I can still recommend you Death Note if you haven't watched it (Lost + Brain is a cheap knock off of it, which you can try if you like it), and MPD psycho (though it quickly becomes nonsensical at least from my pov). I think you may also like the manga Heads.

As for the rest, here are some more details involving what you may expect in terms of survival/psychological/mystery/detective elements:

Gantz: A must read - it's pretty original and is centered around a survival game (though not much psychologic tricks involved). It kinda goes downhill in one of the last arcs, but otherwise it's great.

Blame!: MC has to venture and survive through a dystopian futuristic world. The atmosphere is very unique, may be hard to understand if you're not careful about the details - the author has many manga in a similar/the same universe (some details are easier to grasp if you've read some "prequels" - but those spoil too much, so I recommend reading Blane! first).

Parasyte: MC has to survive in a world where aliens have taken control of other people (I recommend the manga, even if the anime may have "better" art). Not much unlike Animorphs in terms of premise, if you have read the series.

I am a Hero: Has survival, psychological, and philosophical elements to it. May be not everybody's cup of tea because of the "peculiarities" of the MC (if you've read Oyasumi Punpun you'll get what I mean - I also recommend Oyasumi if you can stomach depressing masterpieces - it's not survival/detective though, mainly psychological - like the rest of Asano Inio's works).

Survival: Shounen S: If you prefer survival more grounded in reality without any fantasy/sci-fi elements. There's an older manga upon which this one is based.

Wakusei closet: A girl has to survive Cthulhu abominations in her dreams . Has a rather calm/fantasy/dreamlike feel - think Narnia but with Cthulhu horrors. You'll probably like it considering you're reading Mieruko-chan. The atmosphere and world-building has something in common with Mad Chimera World (note - the resolution of that one is quite bs).

Aku no Kyouten: I bet you would enjoy that one. There's survival, death "game", psychology, etc.

Shiro Ame: I am not sure how much you'll like this, but considering it is a oneshot, it should be short enough even if it turns out not to be to your taste.

Dud Hunt: Death game that tries to be more realistic than magical.

Tokyou Ghoul: Similar to Parasyte in terms of premise. At some point the author introduces a bit too much bs (think Air Gear/Oh Great levels of bs).

Shingeki no Kyoujin: Humanity has to survive against great odds. The author starts introducing gimmicky twists later on, as well as his own philosophical musings (regarding WW2).

Mouryou no Yurikago: Zombie survival.

Highschool of the dead: Ecchi zombie survival.

Deadman wonderland: I thought of adding this after what you mentioned. You have your survival death games, but the story development is not stellar in terms of amount of bs.
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@criver, ahh I didn't know about the privacy of the MD list - I've made it public so if you could take a look, that'll be great. Though a lot of the titles I'm following are pretty trash, only the first Jinrou game was a decent death game, while Kusuriya no Hitorigoto and Detective Xeno and the Seven Locked Murder Rooms are good "gounded in reality" mystery.

I will check out the titles you've listed - I actually haven't heard of most of them apart from the ones that had anime adaptations. Thanks a lot!

To be honest, I find a lot of manga do falter as it transitions to a "explaining the logic" phase. Even I am a hero has this weird absobing blob with hive mind thing. It was an intense first part though!

Do you have some recommendations for decently gounded mysterys? Kinda locked room murders, detective/police ish?
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@NaturalTalentless
Most such manga that I have read have been fairly stupid, relying on cheap gimmicks to develop the plot unfortunately - that's including the stuff that you got recommended. Real account is edgy nonsense with ridiculous twists. Alice in Borderlands is reasonable for several chapters, but then goes into pretentious pseudo-philosophical bs territory. I can't see your MD list so I can't see what you have read to get a better idea what you would like. While not exactly what you described, the following manga have some survival elements (and most importantly - are fairly original compared to most other works): Gantz, Blame!, Parasyte, I am a Hero, Survival: Shounen S, Wakusei closet, Aku no Kyouten, Shiro Ame, Duds Hunt, Tokyo Ghoul, Shingeki no Kyojin (until the author decides to introduce ridiculous plot twists), Mouryou no Yurikago, Highschool of the dead (if you can stomach the fanservice).

As for games of that sort: Pathologic 1/2 (survival + psychological), Rule of Rose (psychological), Alice Madness Returns (psychological), The Town of Light (psychological).
Last edited 9 mo ago by criver.
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@b-no Whoa I haven't heard that title in a long time!
...dammit no one picked it up :( It was pretty decent compared to more recent titles.

@Jonui, thanks for the recommendations, I'll check those out!
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@NaturalTalentless You might want to try Usogui, Alice in Borderlands or Tobaku Haouden Zero
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@NaturalTalentless How about Real Account?
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