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@HauntedPizza:

Reading your response, I get the feeling that you got something out of my words that was very different from what was meant.

But I also think it'd be a good idea to end this off-topic conversation here. It was against my better judgement to enter the fray in the first place, but sometimes one just can't help oneself, I'm afraid. *shrugs*
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@Pokari I was hoping no one else would respond but well here we are, back to the usual argument. What is this the 1000th time? You think my perspective is shit? Well I can just turn that around and say I think your perspective is shit. There's no objective fact here and you treating your opinion like a fact is a pet peeve of mine, I gave my opinion and perspective, what I think. What I think is that it's incredibly easy to separate reality from fiction because they're not comparable in the slightest, loli/shota isn't pedophilia and you can disagree with me till you're blue in the face but I'm not changing my mind here.

Nobody I know that's into loli/shota hentai is into anyone IRL that's younger than 18. Straight shota with milf is a popular one and I know both men and women into that. Do with that what you will, but I assume you'll try telling me that they are actually pedophiles and I don't really know them, because people like your self always white knight from a really high horse. Plus you sound like an amateur psychology student that likes to diagnose everyone you see for the most ridiculous reasons.

Also the Yaoi comparison is left field and absurd. Genuine apples and oranges. A guy having sex with a guy is gay, but there's also more nuance to that and the whole thing with traps is a particular fetish. Some guys are only attracted to men that look feminine. You're also comparing homosexuality to loli/shota which I think is insane and makes 0 sense. Additionally loli/shota is for many people often a petite fetish. If you want to argue someone is a pedophile because they enjoy hentai with a petite 35 year old elf girl, go for it? I'm not going to be here to argue that with you because I think that's incredibly dumb.

I'm not arguing further because it's a major waste of time, so have a nice day.
Last edited 3 mo ago by HauntedPizza.
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Well, this is drifting off topic, but since someone hit on a pet peeve...

@HauntedPizza:

Not to put too fine a point on it, but saying:

Also well I don't personally classify loli & shota as "pedophilia". It's stylized anime/manga art with characters that have no real age because they're fictional, often ageless characters or as you know really old ones. I never relate them to IRL, especially with how stylized Anime & Manga art is.


...is like saying "yaoi isn't really gay because a lot of the dudes look like women,"—that is to say a vacuous argument used by people who aren't quite comfortable with what they're seeing (be it for good or bad reasons) but just want to get on with what they're enjoying (or, socializing with others who do) without addressing that discomfort directly.

(This isn't to say that you, personally, are failing to keep the fiction separate from the reality in your minds (which is I think the implied subtextual point of such arguments), nor that you are a bad person in any way. Just that the argument itself is shit: Shouta and loli are pedophilia, that's the whole selling point and reason for their existence.)

Personally, I don't think depictions of pedophilia should be outlawed (because not talking about a problem doesn't fix it, as you say) but I think it's healthy that society at large considers them to be in incredibly bad taste when they're gratuitous.

I mean, consider the alternative.
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@xyzzy Ah fair enough sir. Yeah that's very true unfortunately, so many wealthy peoples & people in power are doing the worst crimes. We've seen a glimpse at how bad it is with Hollywood.
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@HauntedPizza

Never said they were right. Just that they were trying to do the right thing. Emphasis on trying. It would be better to go after people who create and watch real child pornography, but alas many of those people are either too rich or too influential to go after. So they go after the most reasonable replacement.
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@xyzzy Ah thank you.

Also well I don't personally classify loli & shota as "pedophilia". It's stylized anime/manga art with characters that have no real age because they're fictional, often ageless characters or as you know really old ones. I never relate them to IRL, especially with how stylized Anime & Manga art is. Same with violence in video games, it's to me a similar argumen. I think censorship of art is bad, especially when it's a victimless crime, and there's things that are harming irl people regardless of age when it comes to violence and sex that should be the focus of all these crack downs. Censoring art is just always their lazy way of saying "we're helping, we're doing something". Sorry if I got into a bit of a ramble there, I've gotten into this debate with people many times and nothing ever comes from it, so we can just agree to disagree on the subject and call it a day.

Edit: I mean heck in some countries this oneshot would be illegal because of their backward laws with homosexuality. More censorship of art. Plus a big problem with the loli/shota bans with anime & manga is that it's a slippery slope. In theory this oneshot could be deemed illegal for depicting minors in a heated moment of passion, with the kiss. Censorship always escalates to extremes, that's all I'll say as an additional note.
Last edited 3 mo ago by HauntedPizza.
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@HauntedPizza

Their heart is in the right place (wanting to stop pedophilia), they’re just going at it the wrong way. I just chose this one because it was one of the few Non-H doujins that was not already on here.

Let me know if there are any other specific doujins that should be saved, H or not, and I’ll see if I can upload them.
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@xyzzy Thanks for saving this, it's definitely cute.

It's really depressing knowing that we're going to lose so much material, but at least people like you are helping save what they can. I don't understand why the world is becoming so censorship heavy.
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