Yasei no Last Boss ga Arawareta!

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Vol. 4 Ch. 20 - Counterattack
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Was that a penis in scorpions mouth?
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BORING
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Unpopular opinion: Grandma's cuter.
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done

okay
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so it looks like we are gonna have to put up with diina being a sneaky cunt for quite a while now
probably till the end
so
thats
fucking
great
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Already caught up
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Kinda rare nowadays for a manga to actually make me this interested in the plot.
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It's so obviously venus is altovenus. Unless author can pull some plot twist, but doesn't seem like they will.
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@ivv https://mangadex.org/group/14/lhtranslation
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So I'm betting Venus is the goddess's avatar. Also it seems Scorpius is a yandere.
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@Aretheus Ah, well i can see some of your points. My point was that he is doing his best with what little information he had for everyone involved. It doesn't matter to me if decisions ultimately turned out well or not, only that he made one.

I also don't agree with your point on the demon lord fight. From his point of view from the game, the demon lord was evil. However, he still tried to see demon lords view point, and even gain even more information about his own situation in the process. Like i said in my previous post, he had goals. They weren't endgame because he didn't have enough information to make any really important decisions yet. Someone with his power and influence can't just make a endgame goal so early on without thinking about everyone else involved. That would pretty irresponsible. Although when i think about it, pretty much all the heroes, his allies, that King that summon him,the goddess, Lufasu herself, as well as the new hero were acting "irresponsibly" for over hundreds of years. So calling him out on that solely just seems weird to me. Honestly though, no matter what choices he made, you could easily deem him irresponsible in one way or another, so I don't even see how it matters anymore.

And finally yes, he does NEED to save the world Its not a matter of me wanting him to have a "NEED" to do things. The mc was written with that in mind. Also, the goddess who sent him to this world without his consent definitely doesn't have his best interests in mind. Any decision he makes that isn't "Saving the world" is pretty much self destructive at this point. Since we know the mc isn't suicidal enough just sit back wait for death to come. My point wasn't that he "could" wait for death, but that he "wouldn't" wait for death. It doesn't matter if he's a moral, immoral, responsible or irresponsible. He would never act this way. This means he has no choice but to play the hero and save the world. The forced "revelation" he received means absolutely nothing. It was basically forced character development. He will stop the goddess (or player) and save the world in the process while ultimately making that world a better place. It doesn't matter if you or me find him interesting or not (I don't actually, I just here for mystery this world has). He will always be this way, from the beginning of this story to its conclusion. While I do find this boring, I don't find irresponsible.
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@The_DCG Re:Monster and Jaryuu Tensei, or are you taking the Shield Hero?
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@PsychoJing Doing things instinctively out of goodwill is not always responsible (See the disaster of the EUCD for proof of that). You could argue in these specific cases that they were, but it could have been just as easy to present a world where his actions fucked things up worse than they started. The fact that up until now, he never had a single central idea that he was striving towards, and considering just how much authority he has in this world, means that his impulsive behavior can be deemed irresponsible.

I mean, I especially don't get why you're pointing at the demon lord fight as a highlight of his responsible nature. The's the one I'd especially want to avoid if I was you. He proved without a shadow of a doubt in that discussion that he knows literally nothing about what's really going on in the grand scheme of things and has no place trying to fight there. He just believes that the demons are evil, so he fights without any consideration for darker forces being at play.

Also, the ends don't justify the means. just because this author decided that his accidental journey worked out for the best does not mean that it was okay for him to act as such up until now.

And finally, no. He does not NEED to save the world. If he really didn't give a shit and just wanted to kick back and take his demise in a super casual manner, he could. It's not like he knows what dying means in this world. For all he knows, that could just bring him back to reality. He doesn't even have a firm, solid grasp on what the goddess's big scheme is even supposed to accomplish nor what the original Lufasu wanted to do either. I don't get why people are so hell-bent on characters NEEDING to do things. Characters are not interesting when they NEED to do things or when they accidentally do things. They are interesting when they decide to do things and make sure that whatever it takes, it'll get done.
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@Aretheus Are we reading the same manga? Because I've seen him do nothing but act responsibly.......
He didn't have to help the towns from there destruction (like that civil war). He definitely didn't have to stop and give those heroes pep talks that would forever change there view of the world and get rid of there guilt either. I know he didn't have to fight that demon lord

Also, he hasn't been"just doing whatever looks okay at the moment". He has been gaining information in order figure out how to act.

Are there any other players other them him? Are they hostile?
Will gaining Lufasu memories help him find her and return her body back?
How will he return home?

Its trying to find the answers to these questions that led him to this forced "revelation" he just got. Until he gains more information and power, this is all he can do. He has been acting with forethought and conviction, as well as caution and mercy. I really don't see how you or the mc don't see that. What I find funny is that he has no choice but to keep acting as he has been if wants to achieve anything. So this "revelation" he just got changes nothing...

Another thing everyone doesn't seem to getting is that he NEEDS save the world. He is one of the most(if not the most) influential people in the world right now. If he doesn't stop the goddess, she'll just seal Lufasu and his mind along with her for good. He has no choice....

Save the world, OR DIE..... are his only options right now
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@PotatoZero I never said that he has to do anything. I only said that whatever he intends to do, he needs to put forethought and conviction into it rather than just do whatever looks okay at the moment.
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In the image at the end - the fanart - assuming they are LHTranslation projects - who is the Asura looking guy on the throne? And the smug guy on the right?
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@SuppeBargeld I think the game setting helps introduce a few things that would be difficult to insert into the story otherwise. For example the level cap is more of a game thing than anything else. Also Diina's false identity was introduced as an in game character that was forgotten about. Then we have the face that the MC is female. Believe it or not, there are a group of people who won't read a story with a female MC. By making the female MC male this adds a few more readers who might have skipped the story originally.
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@Aretheus
Why yes, his actions have given him responsibility, but only for those actions he did, he's in no way suddenly obligated to uncover the mystery of the world or to save it
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@PotatoZero I'm not in the mood to sit here and argue about my moral compass with you here. My last point still stands. You said it yourself, you are responsible for your actions. So even if you don't believe that having power comes with responsibility, his actions have given him a responsibility. As such, it was entirely valid of both him and me to chastise him for acting irresponsibly up until now.
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Children's penis in the mouth...?
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