April Fool's Collection 2019

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Ch. 99 - Magical Trans! (c 99)
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@mommunism Irony at its finest, when you're the person who incited the petty argument about the subject in the first place.
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@shouldsleep There's so much wrong with what you've said I honestly don't care to try. This is one of the most brain-dead arguments I've ever heard and you were fundamentally wrong about almost everything you said in this comment. I don't care to argue with somebody this moronic, there's no way this is worth my time.
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@mommunism
First of all, after doing the math, it was 100% of Europe that was still in March.

Doubtful, if the original author is a European (he didn't specify which but he did say he is, which I am inclined to believe)


The bollywood argument is an analogy
Here was your premise:
People are generally more comfortable consuming entertainment in their mother tongue and western countries are also far more likely to be on the internet, both due to their infrastructure and the fact that it was created and is centralized in the US

and your conclusion:
India specifically is also very culturally conservative, which makes manga, especially like this, harder to get into.

The statement is true, but the conclusion: makes it harder for manga to get into is a false assumption, reason, as I said earlier is difference in target audience.

The second part of the assumption (X country is culturally conservative, making it not good for foreign entertainment to enter) is an invalid premise, conservatism and entertainment are not automatically completely intertwined. For examples see: China (look at all those American movies trying to cater to Chinese audience) Japan (they even have a condition called Paris Syndrome).

Just because they speak English and the language is simple doesn't mean there isn't a barrier to entry. There are still literally dozens of factors, most of which serve to strengthen the barrier. It's still completely possible that it's harder for them to read it, their friends are less likely to be into into it, stores are less likely to sell related products, etc. etc. etc. When you compound this with their relative levels of poverty, it's far less likely that they'll ever even hear about certain English mediums.

Now this is a boatload of stupid. I already placed the English speaking and internet using population into the argument and you still assume that poverty and "their friends not being into it" into the argument?

If you can speak English and have internet in India, for example, the least you could be is lower middle class. "

Now let's dissect this paragraph shall we?
It's still completely possible that it's harder for them to read it

Uh huh. One of the countries with high IT employment, an English speaking community that uses the internet, and it's harder for them to read? Either you're belittling peoples' capacity to learn other languages(and alphabet, but the English alphabet isn't that hard to learn), or you think that reading manga is rocket science. That's concerning.

friends are less likely to be into into it

Friends not being into it" is a general issue and not just one part of the world has it, which discludes it as a point of contention and if you include this argument, then SEA countries immediately rise to the top of the consumption chart because of their easy access to the media and their lack of negativity to the Japanese culture.

stores are less likely to sell related products

What? Why is this even a part of the argument in reading manga. Really. Because a store not having figures or physical copies of manga totally affects entrance to the medium. You do know that rarely does that come into the equation. Normally it is anime first, then whatever comes next, not the other way around.


And now this paragraph
Again, more Indians that Americans browsing the internet means absolutely nothing for the conversation. I don't know why you're repeating it. I also deliberately used the term "culturally conservative" so no dumbfuck would try to counter-argue with political shit. There is no arguing whatsoever to be had when you're comparing the United States to India on cultural conservatism. India is one of the most traditionalist countries there is. Porn is literally illegal to distribute. You cannot even try to tell me that their culture is more open to shit like this, it just isn't plausible to any degree. It's unbelievably ironic for you to tell me that calling them culturally conservative comes from a place of ignorance. It's almost difficult to be ignorant enough to not know that they are.


First here an earlier statement from you
and western countries are also far more likely to be on the internet

You are the one who said westerners are more likely to be in the internet. I did not insert that argument. My point was that this premise is false from the beginning as from a numbers standpoint, India alone breaks that statistic.

Now about the cultural conservatism. Like I said earlier. cultural conservatism and entertainment are not mutually inclusive. You also make it seem like manga is some godforsaken taboo that getting into the medium is that hard. It's not, particularly with their English speaking population (which would be the target demography here, not everyone and anyone), which is why the "cultural conservatism" argument is stupid.

Also
porn is illegal to distribute
Yet they rank as third in consumption of porn. A fine example of a premise not necessarily resulting in an assumed conclusion.
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@shouldsleep Since you apparently quoted the wrong person: I didn't pick the argument and I didn't complain that he answered. I complained that he was very obviously spouting shit even he knows isn't true.

First of all, after doing the math, it was 100% of Europe that was still in March. Your bollywood argument only proves you wrong and I have no idea why you're doing this patronizing premise vs. conclusion shit when it's very obviously the conclusion we're talking about and I never suggested otherwise. You're not even arguing against what I said. I didn't say that non-English speakers cannot possibly read English words for entertainment. I said they're less likely to. The only thing any of your arguments work against is the idea that they can, which is uncontested by literally everybody.

Just because they speak English and the language is simple doesn't mean there isn't a barrier to entry. There are still literally dozens of factors, most of which serve to strengthen the barrier. It's still completely possible that it's harder for them to read it, their friends are less likely to be into into it, stores are less likely to sell related products, etc. etc. etc. When you compound this with their relative levels of poverty, it's far less likely that they'll ever even hear about certain English mediums.

Again, more Indians that Americans browsing the internet means absolutely nothing for the conversation. I don't know why you're repeating it. I also deliberately used the term "culturally conservative" so no dumbfuck would try to counter-argue with political shit. There is no arguing whatsoever to be had when you're comparing the United States to India on cultural conservatism. India is one of the most traditionalist countries there is. Porn is literally illegal to distribute. You cannot even try to tell me that their culture is more open to shit like this, it just isn't plausible to any degree. It's unbelievably ironic for you to tell me that calling them culturally conservative comes from a place of ignorance. It's almost difficult to be ignorant enough to not know that they are.
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@Nolonar yeah, wrong person quoted

@mommunism Using India and China is a stupid measure, everyone knows that China has a low English speaking population. I was talking about the timezone. From the time of the post, half the world was already in April 1, which includes Australia, NZ, PH, India, among others, which still serves the purpose that half of the world, particularly with a high population density, would still have more speakers than America + parts of Europe that would have been on March 31 at that time.

I have no idea why you think it's ignorant to say people prefer entertainment in their mother tongue.

It's not the premise that's false but the conclusion. To make an analogy here let's say I make the statement, Indians make bollywood movies for Indians in the Indian language, by that premise I can say that Non-Indian speakers can't watch the movies because of language barriers.

See there, the premise is correct, but the conclusion isn't.
Your "ignorance" stems from the fact that, apart from not knowing how premise-conclusions stem form, you assume that manga has the same target audience as the people who watch things in their native language. While there is an overlap, the premise of reading manga does not require it to be in your native language, which a vast of readers can attest to.

People naturally tend to enjoy things they grew up with and some technical English speakers still have a somewhat hard time with the language. You can't say it "doesn't apply to manga" for any reason because I was talking about a barrier to entry.

Barrier to entry does not equate to the situation because
A. I already said "English speakers" which already gives the assumption that they have knowledge on the subject. It would apply IF I didn't blatantly take into account English speakers only, or if the medium requires high levels of proficiency, which neither applies.
B. The language used in manga isn't technical, most of the time
C. Guess what country contributes a lot in the movie watching industry? The Philippines. What language is their mother tongue? Not English that's for sure.

As for the India thing read your comment here
People are generally more comfortable consuming entertainment in their mother tongue and western countries are also far more likely to be on the internet, both due to their infrastructure and the fact that it was created and is centralized in the US. India specifically is also very culturally conservative, which makes manga, especially like this, harder to get into. There is no argument whatsoever to be had on your side.

I critiqued your point on India because you used "western countries are more likely to be in the internet" and "culturally conservative" as your argument. While the first is true for the moment due to percentages, the fact is that there are more Indians than people in the US browsing the internet, and the "culturally conservative" argument comes from your ignorance of the matter. They are culturally conservative in some ways but it doesn't equate to the equation. It's also a blanket statement. I could have said Americans are stupid because they voted Trump but that wouldn't make it true. That's how bad that statement works.

The it doesn't matter whether they passed English speakers bit is an argument you inserted afterwards. As for this, a quick google search shows that they have 175M English speaking internet users as of 2015. Still a high number, and were still not adding the rest of the unaccounted countries.
Last edited 1 year ago by shouldsleep.
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@shouldsleep
You're the one who picked a pointless argument with another person and now you're whining when said person answers you? The pettiness here is uncanny.

This appears to have been aimed at me, but everything you wrote afterwards makes me think you replied to the wrong person. Did I misunderstand?

@mommunism
I have no idea why you think it's ignorant to say people prefer entertainment in their mother tongue.

Fun bit of trivia: where I come from, people love watching movies in English. To us, it's the best way to learn the language AND have fun at the same time.
In fact, we generally prefer to watch movies in their original language, which might explain why the majority of our people know at least 3 different languages.

Of course, that doesn't apply to everyone, but there's a reason why over half of the screenings in movie theatres are untranslated.


Now, our population is way too small for me to make such a blanket statement as "people generally [bla]" without providing a source for that claim, but if a small European country can be that open-minded towards foreign languages, I see no reason why other countries can't.
Last edited 1 year ago by Nolonar.
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@shouldsleep Your statement on percentages is absolutely not true. The United States alone has more than twice the number of English speakers than India and China combined. I have no idea why you think it's ignorant to say people prefer entertainment in their mother tongue. People naturally tend to enjoy things they grew up with and some technical English speakers still have a somewhat hard time with the language. You can't say it "doesn't apply to manga" for any reason because I was talking about a barrier to entry. A limitation on languages within the medium, if anything, strengthens that barrier. I would say it's ignorant to deny all of this and pretend they're just as likely. It's also odd that you critique my reasoning for India in the next sentence. First of all, it doesn't have to be one thing, it can be both cultural conservatism and lack of access. Secondly, you literally quoted me as saying it's partially due to infrastructure already. It doesn't matter for the conversation whether they've passed the US in internet users, it matters whether they've passed the US in English-speaking internet users.
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Wow I didn't anticipate these kinds of reactions.

The joke part was releasing this as "vol 7 ch 777", otherwise it would get the same treatment as the other Twitter page (the valentine "special").
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@Nolonar You're the one who picked a pointless argument with another person and now you're whining when said person answers you? The pettiness here is uncanny.

Besides, I doubt US, Canada and whatnot have more readers than Asia+ maybe half of Europe (assuming timezone argument) simply because:

higher population (even if 1% of their English speaking population read manga it would still be higher than 5% of the US/Mexico/Canada etc, assuming that's the percentage number who read manga)
or alternatively
Reading manga is more mainstream in SEA countries than the west simply because of proximity, lack of negative attitude and the lack of copyright laws.

People are generally more comfortable consuming entertainment in their mother tongue and western countries are also far more likely to be on the internet, both due to their infrastructure and the fact that it was created and is centralized in the US. India specifically is also very culturally conservative, which makes manga, especially like this, harder to get into. There is no argument whatsoever to be had on your side.


This just screams ignorance and false conclusions to me. "Preferring to consume entertainment in their mother tongue" does not apply to manga if only due to the lack of translated languages.

India's lack of attention to foreign media isn't because of "cultural conservatism" but because of lack of low cost service, which has been changing during this decade. They've even surpassed US in internet users. It's a simple statistic that you can look up quickly.
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@mommunism
it doesn't matter when I wrote my comment

Your comment didn't even matter in the first place.

The scanlators had April. They decided to upload an April Fools joke. They don't need your approval to do so.
They're neither your slaves nor bitches.

People are generally more comfortable consuming entertainment in their mother tongue

While that is true, manga doesn't get translated in all languages.
The reasons being:
1. Not every language has a large enough population to justify translating just for that language.
2. English is being taught as a foreign language in the majority of countries, and English translations already exist.

People generally like to take the path of least resistance. If they've already learned the language, and a translation exists, why bother translating?
As a result, a lot of non-natives come to sites like these to read.

You made it pretty obvious that you're just a disingenuous shitter when you said I'm denying that half the Earth's pop doesn't exist

And yet here you are, using "native speakers" as an excuse to pretend they don't exist (on this site at least).
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haahahahahahahahahaha
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I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of your comment after skimming the first half. You made it pretty obvious that you're just a disingenuous shitter when you said I'm denying that half the Earth's pop doesn't exist (and yes, I mean with the disclaimer). I'll reply to what I got to, but this is my last comment.

First of all, it doesn't matter when I wrote my comment, because the topic was about the time that the chapter was posted. Furthermore, the US has the majority of the entire world's native English speakers and including the UK alone (ignoring Canada and other European countries) makes that majority quite vast (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English-speaking_world, look at the pie chart on the right). People are generally more comfortable consuming entertainment in their mother tongue and western countries are also far more likely to be on the internet, both due to their infrastructure and the fact that it was created and is centralized in the US. India specifically is also very culturally conservative, which makes manga, especially like this, harder to get into. There is no argument whatsoever to be had on your side.
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@mommunism
Disclaimer: For brevity's sake, I will say "population" and mean "English-speaking population", unless stated otherwise.

Ignoring the fact that under no circumstances would any assumptions you ironically wrongly assumed I was making be "dangerous,"

Depends on your definition of "dangerous".
If you don't think denying the existence of half of the Earth's population is "dangerous", that's your problem, not mine.

you very obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

We must have different definitions of "obvious", then. See below.

The US alone has more than ten times the population of Australia and NZ combined.

... which is less than a third of the entire Earth's population. Source
Even with Canada, that's barely more than 35.3% of the world's population.

Unfortunately, since Wolfram Alpha's ranking only includes native speaking countries, (and I'm too lazy to figure it out in detail) I'm guessing the total population on the entire American continent won't surpass 40%. Feel free to make a more accurate estimate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population

When you wrote your comment, it was 22:44:41 UTC (according to Mangadex timestamp), which means it was already April for over 80% of people (all languages) worldwide (see xkcd in earlier post).
Assuming 40% for America as a whole, and adding the UK to the mix that's still around 47.3% of the world's population who hadn't April yet. Together with all the remaining countries that hadn't had April by then, I'm guessing we're roughly approaching the 50%.

India, Pakistan, Nigeria, and the Philippines alone already account for over 41% of the world's population (that's using 17 Millions instead of 81 Millions for Pakistan). Those are countries that already had April.

So to borrow your own words: "you very obviously have no idea what you're talking about."
Unless you can provide actual statistics for worldwide manga-consumption, that is.

The English-speaking population of India that actually consumes manga is negligible as well

And now you are comparing the entirety of the world's population to a very specific subset of India's. That's an utterly worthless comparison.
Besides, without any statistical evidence backing your claims, not only does your argument not hold, you also still have "no idea what you're talking about."

If you based your claim on the belief that India has a high poverty rate and low living standard (regardless of whether that's true or not): considering English is spoken by a bit more than 12% of the entire Indian population and "is used extensively in business and administration", I'd say there's a high probability that an English-speaking Indian would easily have access to manga, especially here on MangaDex.

You're also telling me not to ignore these tiny populations while you ignore all of Europe and Canada and pretend I could only possibly be talking about the US.

Ignoring the fact that I was merely listing some of the more obvious examples (did you seriously expect me to list all of the world's countries?), I'd say it's you who was ignoring all these tiny populations when you claimed that half of the world's population isn't "almost any of the people reading this".

But I'll admit I actually did presume, that such a condescending and ignorant comment could only have originated from the US.
I didn't think an English person could possibly be whining about a little over an hour, while being completely oblivious to the rest of Europe. Nor did I expect a Canadian to be this ignorant of the rest of the world. As for why I didn't include any of the remaining countries: that's because I cannot imagine anyone living in a country whose main language isn't English would presume English-speakers didn't exist elsewhere in the world. But maybe I was wrong about that as well.

Even now, I still think you could only possibly have been talking about the US, and for that I apologize. Old habits die hard, I suppose. Proving me wrong would certainly help.

I cannot imagine lacking as much self-awareness as you do.

I'd much rather lack self-awareness, than lack awareness of my surroundings.
In fact, I think lacking self-awareness is generally more favorable than lacking awareness in general.

But to each his own.
Last edited 1 year ago by Nolonar.
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@Nolonar Ignoring the fact that under no circumstances would any assumptions you ironically wrongly assumed I was making be "dangerous," you very obviously have no idea what you're talking about. The US alone has more than ten times the population of Australia and NZ combined. The English-speaking population of India that actually consumes manga is negligible as well, even if it's a decent proportion. You're also telling me not to ignore these tiny populations while you ignore all of Europe and Canada and pretend I could only possibly be talking about the US. I cannot imagine lacking as much self-awareness as you do.
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@Nolonar The English tongue is exclusive to...... English of course

Okay... Umm... I'll just see myself out
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New Zealander here!
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Fuck april fools and fuck everyone else.
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@mommunism
You are making a dangerous lot of assumptions with that comment.

Assumptions like: we've got little to no visitors from Australia, New Zealand, or India.
Or like: People who aren't native speakers can't possibly know English.

Remember kids:
1. Not everyone on the Internet is American.
2. The English tongue isn't exclusive to the USA.
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@Nolonar Who cares..? It isn't for almost any of the people reading this.
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Hmmm...
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