Battle in 5 Seconds After Meeting

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Vol. 4 Ch. 34 - Partner
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Cant be a manga without stupid love triangles
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@WillLi, Uh... because i am in the Harem faction? The best outcome for me is when the two girls is equally good. Man you're slow.

Funny you mention tumblr, because your behaviour of "I won't stand until people completely agree with me that Yuuri is the best with no match, and i won't take any compromise" is pretty at home there.

Last edited 2 mo ago by Haremmony.

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@Haremmony If you didn't intend for them to be equal, why didn't you I don't know, just say "Yeah I agree overall Yuuri is better" and none of this would've happened. Instead you fought my point despite appearently agreeing with it. And again, I'm not downplaying Ringo. I have literally said in most my post "Ringo is a good asset" or "Ringo is still useful". You're just blinded by the fact that I'm saying what appears to be negative things about the girl you like and you can't take that. But none of that matters. All that matters is the point form the start of "Yuuri is more useful than Ringo". You are now trying to move the goal post and are disguising it as my lack of comprehension or fanboyism. But what really happened is you failed to say what you mean, then over reacted because of what you perceived as a slight that wasn't. And you now see that, but you're in too deep and don't want to look like you've wasted time or that you've lost.

So I'll do you a favor. Yuuri is more useful than Ringo, but Ringo is still useful. That is my final statement, you can continue moving the goal post around and posting and pretending like you won this by getting in the last word. And maybe even make up some more things to try and attribute to me, despite me right here clearly saying what I mean by my words. But if you want to engage in that I suggest visiting tumblr or something instead.
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@WillLi, Jeez lord, you don't even get what it really mean with me belonging on the "Harem faction". You're hopeless.

You need to brush your reading skill up if you seriously think that in my comment you quote there, i am meaning to say that both are perfect partners equally in everyway...

Everyone here can see how you keep downplaying Ringo in all of your comments, really.

See? Don't you see how you are suddenly compelled to proceed to "boast" how Yuuri is better than Ringo after an idea that maybe Ringo is as good as Yuuri was brought up? You're being too defensive about Yuuri being compared to Ringo. Heck, it's not even like i was counter-arguing you by damaging Yuuri's worth as a partner.

Last edited 2 mo ago by Haremmony.

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@Haremmony
To be honest, i think both girls are perfect partner for different situation;
-Yuuri is perfect when Akira is about to engage in frontal brutal battle.
-Ringo is perfect when Akira is in an intelligence gathering mission.
And Akira being an efficient strategist he is, will certainly tries to at least not lose any of them.


Is what you said. You stated they were both perfect partner. And Literally my first words were "I think Yuuri is always a better partner" and proceeded to tell you why Yuuri is a better partner, and that is -always- what I've been talking about. Nothing about harem routes or anything like that. Just that Yuuri is a better partner than Ringo. I even many times stated Ringo is useful, but Yuuri is more useful to Akira. Nothing about romance or about if they can work as a group of three, just that Yuuri is a better partner. You're the one that needs to work on your reading comprehension, and your memory.
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@WillLi, Eh? Where the heck did you get that impression? Is your reading comprehension that bad? I'm pretty sure i was being fairly obvious about me in the Harem faction (if my id wasn't enough of a hint). I didn't over-inflating anything, i'm just stating the benefits Ringo could bring, which you for some reason are so keen on dismissing.

I mean, even i can tell Yuuri as of now is a better partner, yet is there really need for you to be so insecure about this that you're trying your dang hardest on convincing me that Ringo is just a nuisance?

Really, you're acting pretty much like a triggered Yuuri fanboy all over your comments.

Last edited 2 mo ago by Haremmony.

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@Haremmony It has little to do with the triangle, and more to do with you doing the exact opposite of what you say I'm doing. Ringo hasn't shown us anything, and skill set or any power that will actually be all that helpful to Akira. And it's not like she's a new character she did appear before so we know a little about how she behaves. But yet you're over inflating her worth because "She can get new powers for Akira" when getting powers was not something they had trouble with before.
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@WillLi, In summary, you ARE discrediting Ringo too much when she hasn't even have any chance yet to show us how she could be a better partner than Yuuri, just like my very first reply to you.

Looks like the whole triangle thing annoys you more than it should, didn't it?

Last edited 2 mo ago by Haremmony.

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@Haremmony I never said Ringo wasn't good. Just she's not as good a partner as Yuuri. You're mentioning intelligence gathering, but that's not partnering with Akria. That would be something she does solo mostly and separately from the group. She's be hiding and gather info on abilities and then report back after an operation. That's not being a partner. Also the first thing of mine you quoted is not Ringo <.< I said someone -conscious-in other words not knocked out. It was all referring to survivability in those two quotes. We already know Yuuri actually is pretty quick thinking and malleable minded(they were able to change abilities mid battle at an exact moment), so Ringo doesn't provide an 'advantage' there. Literally the only upside to Ringo is gathering abilities form people you haven't seen use abilities. But again they can -think up- abilities they've never seen before as well. So that's not a huge upside. Rigno is smarter yes, possibly a quicker thinker yes. But she's not faster than Akira, so strategizing doesn't get faster, cause it's just faster for Akira to do the thinking himself and then tell them what to do.

So again, Ringo is a valuable asset, but not really anything for a 'partner'. Even if you take Akira's ability into account, the benefit is marginal because they can just think up abilities as long as they are in the game it seems. So just think up and try abilities on their down time to increase their stock.

Edit: In other words what I'm trying to say is Ringo doesn't make Akira -better-, she makes one thing marginally easier, but she doesn't add anything really. Yuuri adds reliable combat potential, decent awareness, and a totally different PoV of the "muscle head" to problem solving.

Last edited 2 mo ago by WillLi.

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random harem bait tf
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@WillLi, So have you finally understand that Ringo as a partner could be as balanced if not more or less as Yuuri?

If you forgot, my stance is that Ringo is perfect for intelligence gathering, and Yuuri is perfect for all-out battle.

Also:
The value is in having someone conscious that can quickly adjust in their mind what your ability is
is basically Ringo, and
so you don't have to protect and babysit them.
is basically Yuuri.

Last edited 2 mo ago by Haremmony.

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@Haremmony You just said it yourself. He's not gonna use all the abilities. Yes Ringo provides more abilities, I've said that. But Akira doesn't -need- a bunch of abilities. He just needs a few. And it's not like he can't gather abilities with Yuuri. You forget that plenty of people are going to -use- their abilities because most people aren't actually suited for combat without them. So what is grabbing a few more abilities going to do to help Akira? Not that much. Also it's worth mentioning that they can always -think up- abilities in the first place. Telepathy for instance. So there isn't much value in the copy. The value is in having someone conscious that can quickly adjust in their mind what your ability is while doing their own thing so you don't have to protect and babysit them.
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@WillLi, that will not be the problem for Akira, because the point of stocking is not so that you could use all of them, but you can be selective and compare which will be the best combination set. For our MC who had already established to be strategic, this could serve as interesting contents for future chapters.

You are still going on with the "still need to see it" argument? Even if that's true, the truth of the matter is, Ringo still provide more possibility than Yuuri in that regard. If anything this is a good thing because this mean our Protagonist didn't suddenly became OP, and still need to brainstorm, which is basically the main appeal of this manga.

Last edited 2 mo ago by Haremmony.

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@Haremmony I doubt that information she gets is an actual complex read out of the physics behind the ability. For instance if she got "Can make explosions" like you said. How big are the explosions? What kind of explosions? How fast can you rapid fire it? Are you protected from the explosions? Can you make multiple at once? All of those are questions that if Akira has the wrong information could result in him dieing if he had to rely on the ability. That's why -he- needs to know the details of the ability before he uses it, and I doubt Ringo gets all that information, so -seeing- it is the best way to learn it.

Also having a lot of choices is not always a good thing, have you heard of "Choice paralysis"? And no matter how smart Akira is he has to rely on the -other- person's memory. Ringo has to remember specific details of every ability she copies or there is risk of her getting it wrong and we end up with the explosion thing above. This is why Ringo does increase his ability to gather abilities but only by so much. Cause the only ones they can use are ones that they can accurately and reliably understand. That's why when he brought up using teleport Yuuri mentioned that they hadn't practiced that one before. They both saw it, but they still didn't know that much about it. It was just luck that the situation called for the kind of teleport that they witnessed.
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@WillLi, and you're underestimating the very point of stocking usable abilities for Akira's use greatly.

Also, aren't you exaggerating a little with the "10% power only" trait being a total hindrance?
Ringo's ability gives her the information of the full version, not the already cut at 10%, she only need to convey that.

Last edited 2 mo ago by Haremmony.

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It's multiply by 10times because she uses 10% which is a tenth so to know the real power you have to multiply by 10. And Ringo herself said she has to -use- it to know what it is. I mentioned that in my last post.

Now even if she finds it out without having to use it and she meant using her own ability. That still doesn't help Akira, cause he can't use a power he doesn't know. He still has to see the ability to understand what it's capable of. And there are downsides to both, but at least Yuuri has a top tier ability that increases her survivability and lowers the chance of her getting knocked out in a fight and leaving Akira without help.

Ringo is a great asset for finding out people's abilities secretly, but all she does as a partner is increase the number of powers Akira can get slightly. Her own combat ability is lacking because of her lack of own talent, and that she's only using 10% of whatever she copies. Like even with abilities as strong as Yuuri's, that isn't much. It's like a 50% boost to her physical abilities, as opposed to Yuuri's 5x. If she copies a lower rank ability it'll do almost nothing. Like invincible for 0.2 seconds, good luck using that in a fight.

You're putting too much stock in gathering abilities. It's very useful to be able to change yes, but if you haven't noticed Akira has only used like 3 abilities this whole time. Because what's doing all the heavy lifting is his mind. He doesn't need a huge number of abilities to be potent, especially not when he has one of the best abilities already. Since Akira needs to understand the ability as well(otherwise he wont be able to stratagize with it), going out and getting abilities he's never seen wont mean much to him. And I doubt Ringo's copy last forever to bring it back to him. Also if Ringo can't accurately imagine the real version of the power there will likely be some weirdness with what comes out when passed to Akira, that's an assumption though.
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@WillLi, On contrary, i felt that it's you who are thinking that Yuuri doesn't possess risk at all.

You forgot didn't you? That Ringo actually can KNOW an ability without using it, copying it is enough.

Also, you did a typo. It's multiplying by the 10%, not 10 times.

Hey, your preferential treatment is getting a bit too obvious there.

Um, just because she doesn't get anything similar to Cannon when Ringo tried to copy Akira's ability, she can deduce it's an ability that need partner? That's kinda stretching. I mean, unlike her who could only rarely show off her ability, everytime Ringo sees Akira he never have any difficulty using Cannon, he even uses it at ease. When she failed to copy his Cannon, the only information it offers are that Cannon is not Akira's true ability and his true ability allows him to use Cannon at will. Even if she notices Yuuri at his side everytime, it's more logical to assume it's because they're already acquaintance from previous program. Moreover, she knows that Yuuri's ability doesn't have anything to do with Cannon. The only way she can deduce Akira's true ability is dependent on some kind of "other person" before knowing it from the man himself is if her ability also automatically supplies her with said information. I mean, this is why Akira is immediately shocked when Ringo stated that his ability requires a partner for optimal use, he may had let people deduced that Cannon isn't his true ability, like the Green Team Leader, but he has been very careful and secretive about the "other person" part.

Last edited 2 mo ago by Haremmony.

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@Haremmony @greatninja3 You guys are thinking that she eliminates the risk, but she actually doesn't. Ringo knows a person's ability when she -uses- it like she said. So like Yuuri she still has to -see- the ability to know what it is. Yeah she can grab a few abilities that the opponent never used and use them herself. But if Akira doesn't see it then there is still the problem of his image and her image not matching. Also however there is the risk of mistakes when 'multiplying the power by 10' even now we're confused as to how her power would work on him. So taking someone's ability they don't know what it is, and then multiplying it by 10 actually gets kinda vague. Just like Yuuri's "5x" was vague. All Yuuri has to do is see a power and she can think of it for him as long as he identifies it. Ringo can learn powers but still has to show them to Akira or he can't really use them. It's not that huge of a difference in how much of a power dictionary they are for him, Ringo just will learn some things 'easier' but it wont effect how much Akira knows that much.

He can use both of them, but it doesn't look like Ringo is going to be satisfied with that honestly. I could be wrong, but I doubt Ringo will be happy with anything other than being his #1, and as soon as a fight breaks out it'll show that it's Yuuri simply because of trust. Cause Yuuri isn't cunning, he can trust her sincerity with ease, and he's been through more with her.

Also though I believe it was said before that Akira's power didn't 'activate' with her. Probably because she actually copied his power, not what it was copying, that's how she found out he needed a partner.
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@Hachi015,

*reminded that thanks to Mion showing her Cannon skill at the beginning of the game, Akira hasn't lost once yet*

You know... you might be onto something here. XD
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Too bad 1st female troupe will come on top at the end...




Mion where u at now?!
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