Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari

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Vol. 13 Ch. 49 - Outwit
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@0takuDragonSlayer meant to add "and" there, my bad. But yeah, he will change.
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@PsychoJing
And Sword boi?
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@0takuDragonSlayer

Last edited 3 mo ago by PsychoJing.

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@PsychoJing
OH THANK FUCKING GOD!
So the sword hero ACTUALLY goes through a character Arc?

Last edited 3 mo ago by 0takuDragonSlayer.

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@givemersspls
It's because this author is an incredibly shitty writer who doesn't want the other three to develop in any real way. It's absolutely frustrating how we are 40 + chapters in and not a single one of those three have gotten any kind of character progression. Their egos and inability to listen to reason are so forced it's insane
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Fuck off bird queen
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Isn't that what he said at the beginning?
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@Yamibi lol the other 3 heroes aren't being independent though, they're being assholes. They're selfish and corrupt and if they continued to work under the queen they wouldn't be "puppets" because the queen isn't some evil corrupt government figure head, she actually cares about her people and the heroes, and everything she does is to mature them into better heroes. They're not trying to be independent at all they're being selfish. The second things don't go their way they run with no regard for their position as heroes, and no regard for the people who would die without their protection during the waves. Once again, that is not independence, it is immature selfishness.

That's all I gotta say lol

Last edited 7 mo ago by cherokeemoon.

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@seitann
I feel like it's less that I would ship him with the queen (since he has issues with trust and intimacy) and more that I would aim for the queen if I was in his position. It would double as both bargaining (though more as the queen getting an advantage since I would be the one asking) and an F*ck You to trash and bitch. Hell, I could totally see the queen having trash watch as punishment...the anime will start soon so I guess we'll see the doujins of this soon...
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Does anyone else ship Iwatani and the Queen? :D
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@mage_goo if you mean go to the front lines to argue your right. XD Plus they have a group of people that follow them RELIGIOUSLY that they order around for kicks.


Plus the bow hero doesn't fight on the front line, he's using a bow..........

Last edited 7 mo ago by PsychoJing.

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@PsychoJing doesn't change the fact that they still goes and fight in the frontline
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@Yautja Sure, and I agree with you, the math doesn't lie after all.
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@gaigous
That's what it read like, anyways; from a literary standpoint, yes, it is. Like I said multiple times, it isn't believable to have them become decent people. They've already been cast as completely immoral moronic psychopaths. Having them become decent people is extremely unrealistic, to the set standards of the story and general human capabilities, and it'd be one thing if they had any real depth and substantial, believable backstory but they don't. It'd require either some serious top tier writing, or more than likely, a lot of contrived bullshit.

@Vigo_to_Vigo
Like I just said to the last guy. None of that relates to or denigrates what I said. I said they're cunts, and them becoming decent people is neither believable nor desirable. Them being useful makes no difference.
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@mage_goo uh no, we really can't view them in a positive light.
Remember, when a hero dies, the waves basically become impossible for everyone. So many more people will right after they do.
Add the fact the shield hero has been doing a better job they all 3 combined, the best they can do for everyone is nothing......
Their just a liablity and nothing more. In the last wave all they did was argue, the shield hero had to solo the boss...


@Vigo_to_Vigo

Last edited 7 mo ago by PsychoJing.

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At this point it's better to just kill the other heroes and pray for another summon.
Cheat abilities are worthless if all you do is run around using their most basic level of power instead of refining it and learning about your enemy.
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just take the advice
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@xEternalSoul Guess I missed out the part where most isekai MCs' actions are bad when looked from a different perspective.

Wait, ain't Sword complains to Shield that Shield sabotaged and steal the reward for his dragon subjugation quest?
Spear ain't claiming no one nor trying to make someone his.
It's like calling a guy a hero for helping a wounded man because someone paid him to do it
Guess doctor and paramedic can't be a hero, huh?

You know what? Let's just drop all that and go back to the roots.
They're all fighting the waves, in other words, putting their life on the line to save the world.
Damn sure you can view that in a positive light.
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@mage_goo Then you must have misunderstood the conversation as you missed our point entirely.
And I really don't get why you can't see killing dragon that terrorizes villagers, killing tyrant, and freeing slave as some level of good.
Except, that didn't actually happened. The dragon was living peacefully in the mountains with Wyndia, Ren went to subjugate it simply because it was a dragon and in games dragons are almost always bossing material, sounds like murder. Motoyasu 'freeing' slaves by ignoring others free will and taking them away from people they want to be with? Sounds like slavery to me, just snatching ownership from others and making them his. Itsuki killing a tyrant is the only action out of those that you stated that happened literally and can actually be seen as good, but only if you don't understand that he was not doing it for the suffering citizens but for his own ego, pride and reputation, in other words 'self-benefit'. It's like calling a guy a hero for helping a wounded man because someone paid him to do it. There is no heroic act at all, what you are saying is not viewing their actions from different perspectives but simply falsifying scenarios.
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