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Ch. 12 - Onslaught
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@Arcenciel I'll be fine, I'm a shitposter, a troll's natural...big mac(?) I think.
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@countrymage

You wish lol. Well, you're free to try engaging if you have time to spare. You'll see what i mean soon enough. For your sanity, keep in mind that the other party is a troll, and much of the community here sees him for what he is. Just don't get emotionally invested, and you can laugh about it later.

Last edited 15 days ago by Arcenciel.

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Could have just said that all those Mary Sue descriptions fit a character more perfect than the MC, therefore can't apply to the MC themselves, and all this arguing would be done.
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@Arcenciel

It seems the circle jerk is in session. Don't worry, I'll leave you two so you can have some privacy.

Last edited 15 days ago by criver.

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@Argolok

Criver is a known troll. Don't feed him.
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@Argolok
Enough said:
I'll just leave you be in your puddle of ignorance, I concede the fact that I can't fight your ignorance.
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@criver What a coincidence i wanted to end this too provided you dont say something amazingly stupid, and yet here you are.



I have now shown again and again, that you have not made a SINGLE argument or point worth debating.
You have not proven that Chris is a Gary Stu, but have only proven how s**** you really are.
And only shown your determination of staying on that high horse, and looking down on everyone around you.
If you dont like my tone throughout, tough shit, you reap what you sow.

I am done with you. Hope you enjoy that new asshole.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ


Edit: Insults censored on staff recommendation

Last edited 15 days ago by Argolok.

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@Argolok
Moving the goalposts are we? And no, I am not obliged to educate you further.
You post a satirical video by some random youtuber as 'argument' that doesn't even cover what intrinsically makes a Mary Sue but rather lists traits that may have been associated with some Mary Sue characters in some works. And you think that excuses your ignorance? You can have a Mary Sue with none of the traits listed in your video, how's that for a revelation?


And you still don't know what a Mary Sue is judging by the rest of your comment, so you still didn't put in the effort to read up on the subject.

So whats your actual points till now.

Don't tell me what you think my point is, all the bs you listed are your primitive views on the matter, so do not associate that with me.

I'll just leave you be in your puddle of ignorance, I concede the fact that I can't fight your ignorance. You'll just keep trying to drag me down to your level and beat me with experience if this continues any further.

Last edited 16 days ago by criver.

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@criver Oh wow you actually wrote something. Surprising.
Also telling someone to look it up is not an argument.

Here have a handy dandy video firsthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhrfhQbY0K8

Merriam-Webster, doesnt contradict me.
TvTropes, yes but first refer to video. Also just having one trait that maybe when stretching could be considered mary sue, does not make a Sue.

"They can usually perform better at tasks than should be possible given the amount of training or experience, [...] saving the hero."
The only one this could possibly apply to is Saliy and shes the demon kings child. Hes an educated king that has trained in combat since he was young.
Welp experience check. And "your point" mute.

And for this one " [...] wish-fulfillment and is commonly associated with self-insertion[...]" prove it
I see no self inserts here

"[...] judged as a poorly developed character, too perfect and lacking in realism to be interesting"
Well this isnt subjective as fuck right? I find these characters realistic (in the world of the story) and interesting.


So whats your actual points till now.
Saliy starts out strong and that the Prince turned legendary Hero is a good person,
because he fell in love with a demon at first sight when she saved him from a monster ...

If you want to ramble on quotes that have frankly nothing to do with this story be my guest.
Its neither an argument, nor prove.

Last edited 16 days ago by Argolok.

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@Argolok
Time to learn the meaning of words:
Merriam-Webster:
seemingly -
to all outward appearances


And let's also ignore this, right?:
TvTropes:
This is why adding character flaws to characters doesn't make them not be Mary Sues. This is why flawed characters can be Mary Sues.


Wikipedia:
They can usually perform better at tasks than should be possible given the amount of training or experience, and usually are able through some means to upstage the main protagonist of the story, such as by saving the hero.


"Mary Sue" today has changed from its original meaning and now carries a generalized, although not universal, connotation of wish-fulfillment and is commonly associated with self-insertion, though the characterization of upstaging the established protagonist(s) of existing properties remains fundamental.


the "Mary Sue" is judged as a poorly developed character, too perfect and lacking in realism to be interesting.


Good job calling me out when you don't even know what you're talking about. It seems that in your mind: flawless <=> Mary Sue. That explains your comments until now.

I can provide you more sources as to why flawless is not the same as Mary Sue, it's nothing you won't find without a rudimentary google search either. You can also go and ask on any well-respected platform whether flawless and Mary Sue are tantamount and you will get the same response 90% of the time.

Last edited 16 days ago by criver.

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@criver Well when you got an actual argument, ill get back to you

"A Mary Sue is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character." First sentence on wikipedia btw
maybe you should actually read it yourself before making yourself look stupid

Last edited 16 days ago by Argolok.

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@Argolok

Actually there was at least one person that agreed with me in the next chapter's comments. So you are wrong, but I admit that this is irrelevant.

Also judging by your 'strikes' you are unaware that a Mary Sue is not tantamount to the character having no flaws whatsoever. Go read the definition in wikipedia.

Your 3rd 'strike' is also working against you. It basically shows that Chris refrains from racial prejudice as opposed to some townspeople. If anything it further adds to his 'virtuous character'. Further driving him into Mary Sue territory.

Do repeat it a few more times if you truly believe it will make your statement correct.
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@criver Nobody agrees with you and you are wrong.
All of these characters are flawed, its important because thats where the mangaka derives the comedy from. 1st strike against the Sue

Were seeing them after they already became legendary heroes, but weve already seen they didnt start out this way with how Saliy had to save his ass when they were younger.
And even know there are things they are not good at, he still cant use magic for shit, and he himself admits that he isnt a good strategist and misses his adviser. Strike 2

Not everyone agrees with our heroes, in fact some people are activly opposed to him because he married a demon.
Hes not portrayed as this morally superior whos always right, because of course Mary Sue would never be wrong. Strike 3

Ill repeat it a few more times if you want, youll be wrong every time.
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@criver Your wish is granted.
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damn that Paint drawing already looks a lot better than my attempts at drawing a human....oid being?
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@Argolok Try repeating it a few more times, it may make it true for all that you know.
The whole chapter was about the characters showing off, with occasional plot device 'characters' that were only there to ask questions for our MC to answer. If you believe our MC is not idealized to Gary Stu levels, then maybe you should do a better analysis of what you read. There were numerous red flags already and it's not getting better. My only hope for the next chapter at this point is Tifa getting in trouble, otherwise we'll probably just be served a bland battle of our MCs with the demons.

Last edited 19 days ago by criver.

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@criver You dont know what a Mary Sue is.
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@kuma There will be secret stronger final boss...
Politics.
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@criver this is a story when final boss already defeated... i think secret stronger final boss would be more cliche than OP character...
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@kuma
You can have a strong character without making him a Mary Sue/Gary Stu. There's basically no suspense when you know everything will fall right into place.
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@criver he is a hero who slay demon kings with small parties... it will made less sense if he isn't powerful...

anyways, it's not dragged out, and it's pretty strighforward... quite liking this...
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@Lan The question is do you. If you consider this last chapter you can see very well most of the MCs going into Mary Sue territory. Chris specifically. Do you need a breakdown page by page, or can you figure it out on your own?

Last edited 20 days ago by criver.

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@criver do you not know the meaning of what a Mary Sue is?
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Mary Sues intensify.
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Cliffhanger Strikes again
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daaaaamn
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@Kaiju27277 They're trying to save the city, not destroy it. Though jo-chan may whip out some unexpected magic before it's over.
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Tanks for the food !
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MC's finally gonna get serious, what a cliffhanger!
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>because this whole thing is Nihon-esque
Ayo but this is a chigganese comic tho
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I don't know why I though of Dragon Slave.
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It might just be me but I find the layout of this series....difficult to follow. Really hurts my enjoyment.
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Was i meant to wear 3d glasses on that last page holy fuck my eyes!

Last edited 20 days ago by ultraleaf.

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tk
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NB4 Tifa gets into trouble knee deep in demon shit.
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The hero unleashed!
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