5Toubun no Hanayome

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Vol. 7 Ch. 54 - Fools’ Battle
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I agree with Miku we need more screen time of hers
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If I remember correctly, Papa isn't their biological father. Adds some plausibility to the neglect.
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So that's what the chocolates are for, huh? I agree with Miku. Why?
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how old is papa?
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>one of every sandwich please

goddammit negi, fatsuki was just supposed to be a meme

oh well, let's roll with it
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Goddamnit... Miku... I wish I could have tasted your chocolate!
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Can't delete this -- sorry. I LOVE THIS SERIES and I love all of you commenters too <3 smooches

Last edited 7 mo ago by paulmanton.

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@definitionofinsanity

> "And even when the god damn TUTOR brings it up saying that he is failing to tutor the girls because he also has to play the role of the father... the father still is too busy to come home and be a parent."

You get it. See, that's the part that will always keep me from saying the father is anywhere near the word 'good'.

The first component of being a good parents is being there. It's understandable if you are a single parent and you need to get a babysitter or put your children in daycare if you need to earn money to have the essentials for your family. What isn't okay is being as much as a ghost or a voice through a telephone to your children. Lots of people have cited throwing money at your children as the root of many problems and they couldn't be more right.

The Quint Girls are partially in the situation they are in because their father seems to be able to get them transferred and create solutions to their academic problems that most other kids would never have the option to execute. He brings that up super casually in the very conversation that has spawned all of this debate and back and forth. It's one of the first thing the father considers when his girls run into a roadblock: bailing them out.

Of course a parent is going to want to bail out their children if they can, protect them, save them, whatever they can do. That's reasonable, that's understandable. But, at a certain point not allowing your children to learn from their failures and mistakes is doing them much more harm than it is good.

Uesugi has said it best many times:

"I think more than a tutor right now the girls need their father."

"This is a time where a father should step up and help his children."

"Every failure is a stepping stone towards success."

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In short, Uesugi has been a blindingly positive light in the girls' lives. Whether he realizes it or not he IS acting as somewhat of a father figure to them. He took on a very high paying job but that job was very demanding and unusual in many non-professional ways. Things were unprofessional working both ways but I think that's to be expected of tutors and students who are classmates and the same age. That can be overlooked. What can't be overlooked is that the father actually expected him to get real results when the girls needed something more than a tutor alongside their academic coaching / tutoring: a parent... or at the very least a goddamn counselor.
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Maybe the father would have a more stable moral high ground that was not a sheer cliff if he was also actually being a parent. Fuutarou was the one that helped the girls with their individual issues. Their father did not even know that Itsuki and Nino that fought and ran away from home (strange he didn't mind those expense account charges for her stay in an obviously-not-cheap hotel room for however many days ordering room service...). And even when the god damn TUTOR brings it up saying that he is failing to tutor the girls because he also has to play the role of the father... the father still is too busy to come home and be a parent. Or have someone there that actually has his authority to be guardian in his stead.

Quintfather may be right on some individual points, but he is also being an egotistical ass that still seems upset that a high schooler who also doubled as a tutor had to tell him that he needs to raise his damn kids because he can't do it for him. I think he knows that Fuutarou was right about that and it pisses him off that he has nothing to say to defend himself. Although it did surprise me in his offer of letting Fuutarou come back on as a tutor-assistant with another person he'd hire to help tutor them. Which seems like a good idea, but then again, it could easily just be Fuutarou there in name only with no actual ability to help the girls and the tutor just taking over and doing as the father wishes.

Either way, I think everyone has to admit that the father is trying to have his cake and eat it, too. Fuutarou might only be a high schooler, might only be a tutor and might only be an outsider... But he also put in the work that the father was unwilling to put in and did far, far outside his job description. Quintfather can't be taken seriously when he now wants to play parent despite being AWOL this entire time. Don't get me wrong, it's his right to do so, but teenagers are going to laugh in your face if you try and pull that shit.
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WHICHEVER STUDIO IS GONNA ADAPT THIS TO ANIME BETTER GIVE US VALENTINE MIKU FILLER ARC AAAAA
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I don't think he's the best father figure (from MC's point of view) but considering that these girls aren't living by the street, I don't think held the worst either.

Plus I disagree. Parental neglect does not equal to abuse. Those two are two separate problems.
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@dragonite7

"Almost only counts in horseshoes, Cutman." --Proto Man

He was given a task and failed. Hell, even the characters agree that the dad's plan is probably the best one to go with.
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@ImmortalDao Thanks.
I try to always be open to change my opinion should other present good arguments, and I always hope others have the same mindset.
But I guess there's people you just can't reason with...
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@Asta
Ignore him man. You made your point quiet clear and he has some problems reading.
He's no not the best father but he's more normal than it was described in the previous chapters.

Last edited 9 mo ago by ImmortalDao.

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@Asta
You can write as much as you want. You can straw man as much as you want. Because everything you've said in your response, whether it's a claim of what I've said, or what I've intended, or what you claim or what you've said, it ends up being a blatant lie, or a simple fallacy. Your entire comment is loaded with them. I've learned that pointing out inconsistencies, fallacies and blatant lies to self important narcissists gets no where. The analogy of a boot full of water comes to mind.

At the end of they day, you said that the man who buys his kids whatever they want, solves all his problems with money, and never bothers to be in the same building, let alone room as them is a good father all things considered. You seem to think you're saying a lot more than you are, and you seem to think I'm saying a lot more than I am. You're making connections and claims that aren't there. You keep changing your opinions mid sentence. You can keep arguing from a position of unparalleled ignorance. I'd care if you actually exhibited you had a fraction of an understand of what you're talking about.
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@Yautja

Even if it seems good, throwing money at a situation like this doesn't make it good. It makes shit worse.


Well, for starters, I haven't said that his absence isn't a problem, something you could've realized if you actually took the time to understand what I said. I haven't said that money can replace fatherly love and attention.
Second, throwing money at what situation. Are you genuinely arguing that absent parents + money = future psychopath , and that regardless of other factors ?
We're not even close to know the full scope of their situation.
I'd understand your position if the girls were shown to be problematic kids when they were little, in which case, yeah, giving money to them and hoping the problem would go away on its own would be a bad idea. But that's not the case.

That kinda crap is the reason rich kids like those end up being psychopaths like that affluenza lunatic.


Your only point of comparison in this case in the fact they are rich and possibly have been missing a role model.
Moreover, your deduction is based on a supposition, which make for a pretty weak argument.

And again, that's not me saying that there's nothing wrong with an absent father, but boy do you blow things out of proportion.

You're the one minimizing by literally saying he's "a pretty good father"


I'm sorry, but do you have reading comprehension problems ?
I said you were dismissing my arguments by minimizing them, when the correct course of actions would be to actually address them.
Also, this sentence in itself not only is misleading, because you conveniently left out the other half of the message you were quoting, but even that aside, it doesn't make sense in itself. How can I minimize his being absent when I don't even mention it.

Clearly not manipulating them and setting them up to fail so either way he gets what he wants which is five little dolls to fall in line with the carrot and stick under the guise of fatherly love and compassion


Oh yeah, setting them up to fail by compromising and proposing them to make Fuutarou work in tandem with another tutor for more efficiency, something that even the characters themselves acknowledged to be a better plan than just trying hard with Fuutarou.
Manipulating his daughters by telling them the reasons for his proposal ?


Again, do you have reading comprehension problems ? Are you making your headcannon ? Are you perhaps mixing-up two different manga ? Are you using words that you don't understand ?
You sure are to good to make claims, but not that good to back them up, huh ?

and clearly implying the good outweighs the bad

Yes, that's what I indeed think.


If anyone is making a straw man it's you.


I'm... baffled. I don't know what to say.
Do you know what a straw man is or are you using expressions without knowing what they mean ?
Or perhaps you accidentally deleted a part of your message ?




You're arguing from the literary equivalent of a flat earther.


Welp, that came out of nowhere, like a lot of things in your message.
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@Asta
You clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about. Even if it seems good, throwing money at a situation like this doesn't make it good. It makes shit worse. That kinda crap is the reason rich kids like those end up being psychopaths like that affluenza lunatic. Have a problem? Being neglected? Feel lonely and miserable? Throw money at it and watch the fire grow.

Oh so you're a hypocrite, an apologist and lying too. You're the one minimizing by literally saying he's "a pretty good father", he "respects" them (Clearly not manipulating them and setting them up to fail so either way he gets what he wants which is five little dolls to fall in line with the carrot and stick under the guise of fatherly love and compassion) and clearly implying the good outweighs the bad. If anyone is making a straw man it's you.

You should have. You're arguing from the literary equivalent of a flat earther. And not everyone is as stupid as you and willing to consume your bullshit.
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@Asta
you seem to underestimate the kind of damage that emotional neglect from parents could lead to. This isn't that kind of manga so nothing will come of it, but irl it could easily be worse. Being neglected by parents is emotional abuse.
@guardshipburan
Fuutarou has gotten some results m8, what are you on about?
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@Yautja

My first message said that he's not as bad a father as people are making him out to be.
My second message detailed what's good about the current situation of the girls.
Which is why your message, implying that the girls are being abused, strike me as particularly stupid.

And even now, in your last message you decided to minimize everything I mentioned and pulled a straw man (When did I ever said that there was nothing wrong about the current situation ?) just to support your own argument.

I guess I should've known better than to try to argue with you huh ?
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@Asta
So money, and absolute freedom (neglect in this case) makes things okay. Good to know pumpkin.

I dunno about me, but you have to make an effort to achieve the levels of stupidity you have.
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