Maou no Ore ga Dorei Elf wo Yome ni Shitanda ga, Dou Medereba Ii? Japanese

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Vol. 1 Ch. 4 - First Love with a Communication Disorder is like Mouldy Bread 3
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@Stralvan

Segments of Christianity have taken the position that the official interpretation of doctrine comes from within the ordained clergy; that Catholicism had taken it to the point to forbid translations of the scriptures into the common tongues to insure that interpretation only came from the hierarchy of the church was part of what led to the Reformation.

Various segments of Judaism have also taken this stance at various times. As has Islam.

Other religious traditions have also had it that the interpretation of signs, portents, and messages from the relevant deity were the purview of the priesthood within that faith.

It does happen in this world. It is not only something that happens in works of fiction.

Look at the history of Europe; the stance of the established faith influenced a great many things, and at times the church hierarchy was filled with very unscrupulous individuals who used their position for the aggrandizement of their secular relatives, or their home nation, etc.

It has the potential to become a problem anytime secular policy is required to be in line with religious doctrine, as when this occurs those in the position of interpreting for the deity suddenly gain great temporal power, and, inevitably, some prove unworthy of this responsibility.
Even those worthy of the responsibility, in that they don't abuse it deliberately for the benefit of those they care about, still have the potential to be in error in their interpretations.

One sees it with Islam, in those countries where the religious leadership gains temporal power.
It's happened with Christianity since the early years.
Judaism has had problems with this.
And it doesn't take all that much research to determine that it's been a problem with a great many faiths which developed outside the Middle East.

Any faith which has established doctrine, someone was involved in determining what that doctrine is.
Someone, at a minimum, said, "These writings constitute the Holy Works; all others are in error at some level."
What they selected as being the Holy Writings were those which fell in line with their personal interpretation of the will of their deity.

So long as there is free will, there's the potential for misinterpreting, knowingly or unknowingly, any messages from the deity.

None of this gets into the question of whether the deity has your best interest at heart.
Any deity that actually interacts with their creation has an agenda.
The very act of creation says that there is an agenda, something that made expounding the effort of worth to the deity.

I will admit, I'm most familiar with what has occured within Christianity in Europe and North America. Both from looking at it from the outside, when studying European and New World history, and from within, in that at various times I was an evangelical charismatic, a member of several semi-mainstream Protestant denominations, and LDS. In addition, for a period I was Bahai, and my upbringing was as a Unitarian Universalist.

I've been very fortunate, in that all the religious leadership I had direct contact were good people, sincere in their faith and very well intentioned. However, none of them had temporal authority derived from their religious status.

I keep waffling back and forth in my reaction to how often a corrupt clergy or evil god appears in Isekai; it depends upon how cynical I'm feeling at the time.

All that aside, I too think this manga is worth continuing to read.
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@strvlan Real world religious texts are just as ficticious as fictional religions. Religion itself is not evil, even in fictional settings; Evil lies in those who manipulate the faith and belief of others for their own ends, as this priest clearly does.
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@Weasalopes
Sorry but i'm a bit trigerred by your statement..

Hierarchial system? What? Sorry but in my religion, we know what each meaning in each text in holy book, and we read it at daily basis.

Sorry but please do not use Fiction Religion as basis to interpret and judge Real Life Religions, it's different

And what you say? Just because he is a god, doesnt mean he's a good guy..
Pfft
Wrong, try to use your logic here
The meaning of god(for me) he know all and he create all, and only one
If he who create all(including Good and evil) and he's a bad guy..
I doubting his divinty? Or whatever is that(i dont know the word in english)

Can he still call himself a god?
And can we still believe he is a god?

Ok,excluding my statement up there, this is my first time reading this manga, and i'm already hooked up
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D'aww. What a cute scene. Equipping a cute girl reduced his charisma penalty and the attunement (Affection) is only growing.

You know, are there any stories where the churches and/or their patron gods aren't evil? I guess there are also neutral ones, so rather, are there any that are genuinely benevolent and uncorrupt (maybe excusing a few lower-ranked scumbags), led by benevolent gods?
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Yeppers, evil church dude just has to be involved up to his neck in the evils, and wants to use the holy knight who looks like she might actually be a Holy Knight to target Zagan since Zagan isn't part of his network; whatever the result, he expects it to work out in his favor, since her ending up teaming up with Zagan is... inconceivable!

Is la sigh. *sigh*

Agree that it's an overused trope.

There is, however, the very real problem that any hierarchical system, regardless of whether it is secular or religious, is prone to being targeted by those who seek power over others; if you don't at some level desire authority over other people, you'll never seek a supervisory position, after all. It becomes a problem when those seeking power in such a hierarchy cease to care about people as individuals, and it's all over when they start to feel that their position in the upper levels of the hierarchy indicates that they are better than others.

If it's a hierarchical religion that embraces an interventionist deity, it's open to abuse by whoever is in the position to be the official interpreter of any messages from that deity. "God wills it" is a pretty heavy trump card, after all, when no one is in a position to dispute your claims as to what God desires. This has been a major problem within Judaism, Christianity and Islam over the centuries. Others as well, but these are the major players that everyone is currently aware of in the 3D world.

Bleh.

Now, if you actually do have an interventionist deity, there's the potential for divine retribution against someone claiming something is the deity's will when it isn't. Of course, there's also the potential that the deity is actually issuing the instructions that the priest claims he's issuing; just because he's God, or a god, doesn't mean he's a good guy.

Last edited 3 mo ago by Weasalopes.

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Page 9

A great example of how to make someone stop with those "anything is fine" lines. =D
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For once could we have the church actually be what they claim to be and not a hotbed of corruption?
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This manga is simply too good! I'll get diabetes before the 8th chapter like this.
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@fresthy thank you for your work,
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I need moar like this.
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Thanks to all of our reader who have pointed out our mistakes.
We've made the necessary corrections.
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damn, I didn't read that restaurant part, or maybe I just forgot about it... need more sexy outifts
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The church is charged evil again.
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1 dead pope incoomiing ???
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@kaminomikan ayy ..no matter where or when, they suck.
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church and religion will always be evil.
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Yaaaahh that pope has 100% lolicon vibe and he's the one kidnapping the girls. Sadly for knight chan the manga isn't harem tagged so she's bound to get the bad end. Zagan says he likes the elf girl because he sees himself in her but we all know that he loves her because she is FREAKING ADORABLE!!!! Not beautiful like all elves are supposed to be. ADORABLE she is.
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dude this shit was good.
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@Leo80221 yea its how any kind of sorcery works in this world. Magic is channeled through magic circles which Zagan has inscribed on his clothing and the holy Knight has on her armor and sword. The mage that was gonna skin that knight lady is a total weakling compared to her when she's armored but since she was in normal clothes she was just regular woman with no power to speak of, Zagan is same.
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always, no fantasy manga without church
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Knight waifu?
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finally some improvement in their relationship.

Now we get little miss holy knight to join the harem to push them together even more. Nothing better than a little jealousy here and there
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Page 36 has cringe-inducing spelling errors in the first panel.

Page 37 too, in the 4th panel. "that the true perpetrator still at large"

Last edited 5 mo ago by MangaDex.

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The elf is more than enough.
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the church is almost always evil in this settings coz they got so much power, most of the time there's only one religion so they have a lot of followers, so of course some fuckers are gonna do some crusty shit, thats just human nature
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With how the church acts against mages, I wonder how Zagan can walk around so leisurely. Maybe people just allow it because it's him?

Last edited 5 mo ago by MangaDex.

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Oh look, the church is evil.
Again.
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Gawd i adore this manga, i wanna see what this knight captain is gonna bring to the table,
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The way the people in the inn reacted to both of them feeding each other got me that warm, fuzzy feeling in my stomach. Didn't expect an artist who can draw such evil looking eyes and faces to also draw things like that.
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What a cute relationship
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@fresthy "Treasures" not "treasure".
Treasure is a noun, treasures is a verb.
Also I finally got to see where you got that image from hehe. Keep up the great work my man.
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I can say, with entire confidence That all of you are wrong. Enjoy~
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@ultimatehaki Does that mean Zagan can only use magic because of his clothes and territory? Doesn't that mean that mages have 1 really big weakness? Although it's still a hard to attack weakness if they are there to defend it.
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Like as always, Church evil trope. Not that i hate tho
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@Operatix The holy knight girl is a match for Zagan but only when she has her armor and sword since it has a lot a buffs on it much like Zagan has in his territory and clothing. Both of them are just normal humans without it which is why she needed saving in the first place. (just some LN info)
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actually like blushing ears

Last edited 5 mo ago by MangaDex.

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@G-P I didn't even notice that...
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My guess is that the pope felt the girl's too hard to control, so he was going to 'use' her by rigging that mission to be very likely to fail.

i.e. The fake-knight was planted beforehand to either backstab them during the fight, or clean up.

If it went well, the pope could've used how the 'evil mages' killed the holy maiden as a cry for persecution against mages.

But then Zagan ruined that
So now the pope's like, fine, let's have this girl go fight that guy, SURELY this time she'll die then my plan can go back on track.
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Church showing its tail... again.

I swear, you put 'dark' anywhere near a church and it instantly makes it rotten. Please remember to keep your churches and your dark world in separate containers to preserve freshness. If you can't afford to, at least place the church far enough away to prolong its longevity. Remember to only sparingly use your church should it be rotting from dark permeation.

Only the freshest churches should be used in your world building recipes. Using a rotting church may cause necessarily edgy story arcs or a horrific case of "the runs".
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100% that pope like dude is the culprit
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Page 8 "Please don't loot at me"
What's your proofreader smoking?
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Knight girl will join soon the party. :)
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@Leo80221 That holy knight shouldn't be so weak, but she still got saved (with her comrades) by Zagan (mage), so Zagan will surely crush the church if they go on his bad side.
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Always the church, huh.
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It sounds to me like the church is going to be destroyed or that guy is going to die, either way he is clearly the bad guy.
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