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Ch. 68 - Thistle
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That first page needs to say "?...these aren't my glasses!
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Is thistle male or female? Thistle does things to my pp.
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@ScrungoWungo Dungeon Meshi releases monthly, with the exception of September and January. EH Scans have been up to date and very punctual with their translations, so Idk what are you talking about with "dead for months" and "radio silence".

Chapters come out more or less on the 15th day of the month, btw.
Last edited 23 days ago by PepperPower.
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So do we have a schedule for getting new chapters or is it dead for months and then a chapter then radio silence
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@ehscans ok thank you for the reply
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@Rianadra

Oh, we decided at some point after the series was licensed to stop doing any sort of volume-exclusive extras (like the Monster Tidbits). We figured it would give people extra incentive to buy the official versions.
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oh so the reason why Marcille's father died is because he is human and that's why her mother explained why she moved at a different pace
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@ehscans hi i'm kind of wondering why there are no more monster tidbid extras after vol 5? Thanks

@daywithoutgames please continue post more extra info about dungeon meshi in the future if you found out more haha like maybe the untranslated monster tidbids or the continuation of senshi's diary from imgur
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The baby basilisk is so cute
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All my theories confirmed. All of them!

@minecraftjennys Cool comment
Last edited 1 mo ago by DahuDelicieux.
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@minecraftjennys Thanks for the hard work
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@caitsith if you want a really early example of contrast between Marcille and other elves, theres a dream scape where her mother briefly appears in chapter 3 page 2. Her mother's ears and especially eyes look more angular (a trait she doesn't share and is consistent in other elves).

I feel like with the way the author wrote the story, with the dungeon's true nature was slowly unravelled as the cast travelled deeper, its not possible to find a concise obvious piece of foreshadowing. From what i can see the way they foreshadow is by leaving small visual or subtextual hints, non of which are 'neon' sighs of whats to come even on a reread.

There's pieces like the rabbits (ch1p17 -> ch64), the mention of liaus's great dog impression (ch17p22 -> ch40p16) which end up coming back tens of chapters later. Whether it's reincorporated details or whether it a 'Chekovs gun' style foreshadow is hard to distinguish but considering the consistency at which they do things like this its hard to believe some of this *wasn't planned* ahead especially when it comes to major story details, such as:

- The constant reference at the dungeon's degradation (ch6p4; ch9p5). As the world-building expands we learn tidbits of when the dungeon was discovered and how the culture around it has developed. It's then we get a scene where Kabru lays down bluntly where this is all going towards i.e. surface world destruction (ch32p25).

- The winged lion imagery, it can be considered a fun visual motif initially but once we discover of the more demonic origin of the dungeon this is re-contextualised. Especially when the demonic imaginary was hinted at a lot earlier (ch31p8 -> horned lion statue; demon reveal -> ch62).

- Marcille, her race and her ambitions could all be considered significant plot points considering how they are all relevant to the current story. She wants to equal life for all races because she doesn't want the people she loves to die. But what was the impetus for this? Chapter 42 lays out death via old age is her greatest fear, something she experienced with "papa" and her parrot, presumably at a young age. How would her father die of old age so young if he was also an elf? Her mother tells her that she "ran at different paces as everyone else". All this seems to heavily imply some non-elf parentage. (Also, earlier in ch39 the subject of life extending magic is brought up and Marcille indicates she's looked into it by commenting on the impossibility of it).

- The author herself has stated that characters such as Ituzumi have been planned since before publication (ch64.1p18). Thus its not a stretch that Marcelline, a main character, was also well planned before hand.

- The author has put a lot of emphasis on the subject of race throughout the series. Its a staple of character interactions, from jokes regarding difficulties identifying ages (ch13p28), to comments on the unequal treatment of certain races (ch33p10) or stereotypes and prejudices (ch20p2; ch56p13), to gags regarding others misidentifying each other's race (ch39p9).

This last point is especially important because there never was a direct statement of fact by Marcille that she was a full blown elf. It's always been other characters which have called her one (ch8p16; ch9; ch15p5; ch20p2; ch28p10; ch30p4; ch33p3; ch36p9; ch56p13; ch57p4) and this has been consistently brought up. Marcille is consistently singled out as an elf (seemingly a lot more frequently than her party members) whether its a mention at how rare it is to see elves in a dungeon party, to contrasting her personality to that of a normal elves and their aloof personality, to the difficult history her presumed race has on the island.

Identification of race is also heavily visually based (as seen when the orc simply calls Marcille 'long ears' ch33 and humans are basically called 'tallman' in this world). This means its not infallible and in fact, and people have gotten it wrong: e.g. ch33p6 (played for a joke but still). As a possibly interesting note, the orc who calls Marcille a 'long-ears' (ch33) distinguishes Thistle as an elf despite both of them presumably being 'elves'.

When the whole race-bending scenario occurred, Marcille's races were always the most confusing to identify for Liaus. It was always marked with a "?" (ch50p5; ch55p26). This wasn't the case for other members of the party. As a half-elf it makes sense for a race change to make identifying the new race more confusing.

TLDR: The author's M-O with foreshadowing seems to be about starting small and simple before ramping up and they clearly stated having planned some things before even publication. While there's no glaring obvious piece of evidence Marcille was a half-elf in chapter 1, I think there is enough evidence that the author can and has planned things quite early in the publication (as evident by how structurally sound and flowing the main story elements are across the series) to support the idea Marcille's race wasn't made to be a half-elf part way through the series' publication.
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it seems awfully easy to create religions based on demons in the Dungeon Meshi world

Hehe, yeah. It's just fiction...

The canaries were right all along.
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I want the old kingdom's souls to be freed, not the demon's. if the two books can be broiled & eaten so the demon's eaten (by Laius & co of course, who else), so be it. The dungeon needs to be closed down just so no more demons spawn & try to wreak havoc on the surface. Everyone on the surface needs to learn of this sooner or later.
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@caitsith kind of agree from what te-kun's said. I mean the reason of Marcille becoming an adventurer & joining Laius team in the first place is solely for learning ancient magic for prolonging life so it can be sounds more tragic rather than her being a pure blood
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@pepperpower
So the ancient civilization that made the dungeon below summoned and used the Winged Lion during their time, and later on the demon became some sort of "guardian deity" figure to the people of the Golden Kingdom, who had inherited that region... not gonna lie, it seems awfully easy to create religions based on demons in the Dungeon Meshi world, as ironic as it may sound, lol.


Haha indeed maybe back in ancient time, those demons are the one who instigated racial wars againts each other to destroy ancient civilizations. Their roles are as a God of war, God of prosperity, The wisdom ones, etc in their own respective kingdom/country
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I DON'T KNOW IN WHOM TO BELIEVE ANYMORE!!
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@daywithoutgames I mean they don't call him the mad sorcerer for nothing
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@te-kun I mean... that's a lot to expect out of a mangaka for a regularly serialized work. There are definitely authors who plan that far ahead, but just as many who don't. In any case, because all of this exposition wasn't laid out at the beginning of the series (which is really a good thing), it comes down to what I said before; there's no way to actually know how far ahead this was planned out outside of finding clear foreshadowing in the story or the author outright saying it herself.
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@caitsith I think the author could have it planned from the begin and not give a single hint just claiming that half elves look just like elves. Making every elf distinct from her is going out of her way when she could have made every elf cutesy like her. Considering how her being a half-elf have plot implications specially related to the end of the story and that the story and world building so far seems to be pretty consistent I think the author had at least the key points planned ahead instead of making things up as the story goes.
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